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Hi all, I will be adding some of the major themes that are presented in Paul's Case on to the article Priyankirana26 (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

There are two "Plot Summary" sections on this Talk page. I think they should be combined. Dumas1110 (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this, the "Plot summary" sections should be combined. I believe that having two of them makes it a little confusing for the readers. Priyankirana26 (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I do not like how in the opening section Paul is not mentioned at all.FatCookies123 (talk) 23:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I also do not like how the "Plot summary" section is not the main part of articl. Instead, the reader has to scroll down to find it. I think it should be moved to the top. FatCookies123 (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I think the word anthologized should link someone to the Wikipedia page for an anthology. Some people may not know what that is or means. Sparr3 (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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I believe the second quote from the Overview section is unnecessary in this article. Also, there is no section for various analyses of the story, and the possibility that Paul's character might be gay is barely mentioned. There is also no section dedicated to any criticisms that this story has faced. Michaelazaffino13 (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I one-hundred percent agree with this post. The possibility of Paul's character being homosexual is barely mentioned in the story. Jmont6 (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I also agree with this post. There are many different theories on who Paul really was so I certainly agree with the possibility of Paul being homosexual. Good observation. Lmuraskin18 (talk) 17:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree, I believe this observation was made due to the time this story took a place. A time, where homosexuality was entirely frowned upon and led to a number of suicides and hate crimes. However, there is no direct evidence stating that he was indeed homosexual.ChristienOlivera418 (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree there is little evidence of many of the observations made. The observations made on the belief of him suffering from PTSD are now outdated by the DSM. Paul's signs could lead to many other mental illnesses besides PTSD. Conaway7993 (talk) 21:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this because there are many mental illnesses that Paul might have but since there are a lot of people inputing what type of illness he has it's very difficult to decide which one he has. Jbarrios22 (talk) 05:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I think the relationship or lack of relationship between Paul and his father should be talked about. I will be changing the genre of the story to be Fiction rather than its current state.Tsonn1 (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Tsonn1

It is easy to say in Paul's perspective his father wasn't that caring, therefore, leading Paul to believe and do bad things to try and have a better life because his father seemed to take away something he enjoyed, in that case, his job. But, once he found out his father was going to ruin his "new life" in New York he decided to commit. So I also feel that the topic of the relationship between both is important as well because it was such a main part of Paul's life.JuliannaS27 (talk) 05:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Paul and his father had a struggling relationship. It was underrated and not talk about a lot. It had a huge shift in the story, many people did not realize the relationship was a love/hate relationship. Paul's father wanted the best for Paul and for him to have a bright future, but Paul's father did not know how to express his emtions to his son correctly. Sebas12345zam (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this post because the heading is what sets up everything that comes after it, and in Paul's case his relationship with his father is shown to be something that takes a huge toll on his life. Noah Eisel (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Writing style/ New Section

The plot summary reads weird. The plot summary is poorly worded and needs to be more concise so that the summary is easier to understand.

Also a section for analysis on themes would be beneficial. Here you can talk about Paul's sexuality or the reasons for him killing himself. Also in themes, there can be a discussion about the red carnation he wears in his jacket or the dangers of money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.254.26.2 (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree, there should be a section about explaining or a theory for Paul's sexuality, because lots of people had believe that Paul was a homosexuality with lots of evidence in the text. People also strongly believeSebas12345zam (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC) he was not accepted for him being a gay, and for that, he committed suicide. Sebas12345zam (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

In addition to a section for analysis on themes being included, it would also be incredibly beneficial for a section on symolism to be created, especially because the carnation, one of the most significant symbols, is left out which takes away a lot from the story and its interpretation.Jfitz2 (talk) 21:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the plot summary does need to be changed so that it becomes short and to the point. I believe making this change would allow readers to better understand the plot summary by including more details about Paul.JCava2 (talk) 16:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this aswell Erlayd1 (talk) 02:16, 17 April 2018 (UTC)erlayd1

Hi, I enjoyed the plot summary. Good work Pat otoole (talk) 17:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I really enjoyed it! 192.132.64.3 (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the plot summary should include more details about Paul, especially because he is the protagonist. It is important to know as much about Paul as possible.Ecarbs20 (talk) 20:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

In the story, Cather never mentioned how much money Paul stole. However, in this section, Paul stole $2000 dollars. FatCookies123 (talk) 23:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I do not believe that Paul actually stole the money from his father. He was given the money by his father to spend on other things, but he ended up using the money to go to New York and live his "lavish lifestyle."SeanMazzei (talk) 03:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

In this part, "He meets with his principal and teachers who complain about Paul's "defiant manner" in class and the "physical aversion" he exhibits toward his teachers." The quoted areas have no citation at all. Readers would have known this is a real quote or made up. FatCookies123 (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

This comment is important because some description that was left out can be used powerfully to describe Paul's characteristics. I agree with this comment and I feel that more needs to be included, considering Paul is the protagonist.Noah Eisel (talk) 16:53, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I think the plot summary needs major refinement and clarity. A lot of unnecessary pieces of information and sentences that can be worded much better. FatCookies123 (talk) 00:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this I think there are some things that need to be worked on but I think it is a good article.Jbarrios22 (talk) 05:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Overview/Analysis

Overview and summary have very similar information and it may be beneficial to change the overview or remove it completely. Also, it would be good to add a bit of analysis or information on Paul's character and personality, which are important aspects of the story as a whole.

I feel the same way. 192.132.64.3 (talk) 19:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that a description should be added about Paul and his character traits. Maybe they can be broken up into different parts where new emotions are shown in different parts of the story?TrevorYano (talk) 00:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The overview does contain helpful information about the story, however its too similar to the plot summary. I think it would be a good idea to remove the overview and only keep the plot summary.Kristenn4 (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

The overview/analysis was very is very good because it brings background information about the setting during the time the story takes place. Ehewe1 (talk) 19:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the overview contained good background information. The summary was very informative.Nicoleasinobi (talk) 21:46, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. I think the Overview is completely unnecessary. Since so many people seem to agree, I'm going to go ahead and remove it. 192.132.64.3 (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this claim, it seems very similar, I think it should either be very different or one should be taken out. Jbarrios22 (talk) 05:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that the overview and summary are almost too similar. I think this makes it confusing when reading this wikipedia article. I agree that it should be removed completely. As Paul's case isn't a long read, an overview isn't necessary, as the summary can provide a clear understanding.

I agree that the overview it self and the summary, are understandably the same when writing it, but it does not make it confusing in anyway just a bit weird to comprehend the article. Sebas12345zam (talk) 17:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

The Overview and the plot summary I agree are very similar in text; it is quite confusing for a reader to follow along. There is also an example of using direct wording from the text with the use of quotations. Bpalm3 (talk) 17:22, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I also think the Overview is unnecessary. Given that so many other people agree, I'm going to remove it. 192.132.64.3 (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

The way it starts with a bit about Pittsburgh and New York city is a confusing structure. It might be better to start with more information about the actual story.RichardJGrzanka (talk) 16:54, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

I Also agree this would be a very strong way to start.Conaway7993 (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Although I think the Overview is effective, I feel like it is a bit wordy.Davontrey (talk) 19:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe the context of the city in which Paul grew up in is an important facet to his longing of art. Stellios23 (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I think it may be better to give a more general description in the overview rather than get rid of it completely. Ecrupi (talk 13:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The section is lengthy but adds context to the story. There are many theories as to Paul's behavior and should be omitted from this sectionStellios23 (talk) 19:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

In regards to the last quote in this section, it is unclear how the citation relates to the quote. PSahi1 (talk) 20:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)≈ ≈

I am editing the first sentence in the overview to remove the comma splices. PSahi1 (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I would suggest saying that Paul committed suicide not only because he ran out of money, but more because he had to go home with his father. He hated his family life, and the place he grew up in. Jmazr1 (talk) 21:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC) :I also think a lack of a maternal bond effected Paul's decisions in his life, especially his suicide. This greatly effected his mood and added to him hating his home lifeAshsosa1 (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with saying Paul not only committed suicide because he ran out of money, but also because he did not have a good home life, or a good relationship with his father. Paul also never had a permanent mother figure in his life to do the things that the father did wrong/right. He never had that support or courage, his father would always tell him how he wishes he would be, and try and change him.

I agree that Paul commits suicide because of the discovery that his father is on his way to take him back home. In fact, I would even argue that his father's parenting style and unwillingness to accept his son are the sole reasons for Paul's suicide. VinceFaustini (talk) 04:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

There is a quote in the third paragraph of the overview, but there is no citation for it. Meghancichon (talk) 23:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Meghan

Going to add a sentence that talks about how New York City is a contrast to Paul's normal life.Rbout (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Added a citation for my edit.Rbout (talk) 16:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

What is the relevance of talking about business leaders in Pittsburgh in the first sentence of the overview? Rpate13 (talk) 22:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I was also wondering about that first sentence. It seems unnecessary to mention this. Kyacrichton (talk) 00:41, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, I think the sentence of New York and its symbolic lifestyle has little correlation to what the overview of the story should be. However, being that it does have a purpose in Paul's Case, I think that the ending of the overview can conclude with a mention of New York City, as the story itself does conclude with Paul running away to the city.Marc201 (talk) 17:19, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

On what basis does Paul's teachers and father represent him at a distance? This point needs evidence.

I don't like how the overview doesn't start with Paul but rather a sentence on the symbol of wealth of New York City. I think that part should be brought in later, when his desire to be rich is talked about.

I agree with this. New York is important in the story but I feel as if you should get to know Paul first while reading. I think that the topic of New York should be brought up later.Neeshamelendez (talk) 22:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I also agree with this. Yes New York is an important part in the story but I think Paul should be introduced first. Asouza123 (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I think most of the overview is covered in the summary and it is a weird overlap. I think getting rid of the overview completely and instead moving information to the summary would be more comprehensive.

I agree that the plot summary and overview are too similar. Maybe combining the information or rewording it to one section will be more beneficial. Beilbacher (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Beilbacher

This passage seems a little wordy.Davontrey (talk) 20:54, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe the first four sentences should be moved to a symbolism section or somewhere else, as it seems a bit awkward at the beginning of a plot summaryAbbeyperrin (talk) 18:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I also think that the first few sentences should be moved to the symbolism section. Mentioning symbolism in this section can be a bit confusing and takes away from the overview in total. Neeshamelendez (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

It is mentioned that the hotel has some symbolism to the New York Lifestyle. I think that this should be moved to the symbolism section and isn't completely relevant to the overview by itself.Neeshamelendez (talk) 22:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that, since this is an overview of the story,Justinaurecchione (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2020 (UTC) there should be a link posted to the original text in case someone wants to start reading the text at some point to look for quotes and/or evidence of the items listed later on in the wiki page.

A Section on Symbolism

I will like to add to this section by including the theater as a symbol.Kristenn4 (talk) 21:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC) The article needs a symbolism section, since their are several symbols throughout the short story. One of them is the red carnation that Paul has with him, which also foreshadows Paul's death as well. Also, the symbols help the reader have a better understanding of the story as a whole, so this section could be really helpful for people. Nholm2 (talk) 17:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree. The symbolism creates connections that allows the reader to see certain themes/messages within the story. --Cbaue1 (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I strongly agree with your statement about having symbolism included into the article. While reading the short story about Paul's Case you can come to conclude that when writing the passage it has many symbolism. When is comes to the train tacks and the flowers. By having a section it explains a better understanding of the story. Sebas12345zam (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I added a section on symbolism to explain the flowers/the red carnation and other symbols within the story. Aross9 (talk) 23:35, 5 April 2018 (UTC) This section is effective. However,I do think a lot more can be added.Davontrey (talk) 20:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC) I added to a section on symbolism to point out another reason for Paul's method of suicide Cbaue1 (talk) 18:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the suicide section, although it seems like there is very little to look at, it doesn't seem that way when looking at all the details in Paul's life leading up to the suicide. I believe another good thing to add to the suicide symbolism, or could be its own is the revolver. Paul chose not to go the easy way out and use something that was right in front of him, so he could've believed that by jumping in front of the train would cause more pity from his father, who seemed to always want Paul to live up to his standards and not realizing Paul could enjoy his life in a different way.JuliannaS27 (talk) 04:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe that Paul's use of the train in order to kill himself was his way of taking control of his own life. Throughout the story, his father controls everything he does, which drives Paul to suicide. By using the gun in the hotel room, Paul may have believed that it would once again be his father's will, as stated earlier when he contemplated whether or not his father would have wanted to shoot him. So in this case, suicide by train may have been Paul's way of finally controlling his own life, and releasing himself from the control of others. 2601:196:4801:BA9B:FDBD:50AE:A5E3:BE91 (talk) 14:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

The Symbolism section is definitely helpful. It breaks down all the symbols in the story clearly.Davontrey (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

There is definitely a lot more symbolism to be added so if anyone wants to add to this section there is opportunity.RichardJGrzanka (talk) 19:57, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree, I will add a symbol on Paul's smile. Ravenabusjit (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I added interpretation from Crtic, Saari.GinaleeJimenez (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC) I think Cordelia Street should be considered an addition to the "Symbol" section because his street contains the house that Paul currently lives in. On the street, every house is of "cookie cutter" description-every house is the exact same with the exact same type of family style and dynamics in them. Paul's hatred for its unoriginality makes it one of the reasons why he hates living in his neighborhood — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alewi5UNH (talk • contribs) 02:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this. The street that Paul lived on has great significance in the story considering that Paul wanted the complete opposite for himself. He felt as though the street was ordinary and kind of boring. He did not want this life for himself.Neeshamelendez (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that Cordelia Street should be added as a symbol. This is a significant piece to the story, as Paul has so much hatred for it and the house he lives in. Cordelia Street is one of the reasons he had to leave. Marissanicole123 (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this section of symbolism, it points out the negatives in Paul's life and it gives the reader a clear explanation of what represents what. If this section was no bolded with an explanation for each word, it could be harder fora reader to see the symbolism here. Noah Eisel (talk) 16:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I strongly feel as though it's appropriate to incorporate Cather's symbolic use of snow throughout the story. I'm going to add a concise description about how the "whirling" pattern of snow essentially correlates with Paul's "fantasy" on achieving a richer meaning of life. Note that on his trip back from New York City, he peers out of the train window to see nothing of the sort, besides that which has already fallen to the ground. Cather portrays it as quite the depressing scene, therefore suggesting that Paul's "fantasy" has come to an end. Smxash39c (talk) 17:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

This is a very helpful section to include. I really loved the snowfall piece because its a perfect way to show a sign of hope that turned into a sense of depression and the lose of Paul's motivation.Kristenn4 (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

This section really shows how detailed the description of the sense was in order to explore the emotions of Paul and his future within the story. I agree that the use of symbolism is expressed greatly in this passage in order to convey emotion.TrevorYano (talk) 23:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that snow can be symbolic. How winter influences Paul's mood could be explored through that symbolism. We see Paul's condition getting worse, as the winter gets heavier, and he dies in the snow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madisonrod (talk • contribs) 21:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

This section is one I find to be the strongest. Each example is giving readers a better understanding, and can look back on the story and observe new things. Beilbacher (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Beilbacher

I agree that this is a strong section. However, I don't like that each new symbol is introduced with a hyphen. I think colons would work better. 2601:18A:C500:F4E0:4432:597A:698E:6A49 (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Under the flowers section it talks about carnations and violets, but I don't believe violets were an important part in Paul's Case. Abbeyperrin (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, I believe carnations are significant to Paul in the story, but the violets do not carry the same meaning. Paytonreis1 (talk) 19:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this as well. The violets do not hold the same importance to the story as the carnations do. The carnations were a symbol to the story. Marissanicole123 (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I added to the symbolism that way there is a clear view of an example used by the author to show. the significance of the theatre. It shows the comfort it provides for Paul and how that is what he is missing at home with his father.Noah Eisel (talk) 18:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

This section about symbolism was very well written. Each symbol has deep meaning and explains a little bit about Paul piece by piece. I see nothing wrong with it, well done!!SeanMazzei (talk) 03:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

A Section on Foreshadowing

I don't think this section should be included in this article because it's short. It can either have more information or delete it. Jbarrios22 (talk) 05:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this. I think this section could be good and helpful but it needs to be expanded on or re written.LaurynB.7 (talk) 14:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree because there is not much to get out of this section. It should be expanded on to clear up the point it is getting across to the reader, if it is this short with lack in detail the reader will not have much attention drawn to it.Noah Eisel (talk) 16:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I have to disagree, I think foreshadowing should be included in the article. Mostly all story have a foreshadow in it that what makes it something intriguing to read. But for Paul's Case especially. When the writer hints the flowering dying in the snow, it tells that Paul will soon die also, their should be more information on this topic. Sebas12345zam (talk) 17:18, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that there should be more information added to the foreshadowing section. There are more examples of foreshadowing in the story than can be added here. Tkiss1 (talk) 20:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this section should either have more points of foreshadowing or be removed because it has lacks foreshadowing evidence. Kfile1 (talk) 19:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I added a quote about Paul having a gun and how its reflecting on him, which explains the foreshadowing of his death and how he kills himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebas12345zam (talk • contribs) 18:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Not credible Sources

You would need to state who the critic is instead of simply saying “another Critic” - Another critic reads it an exploration of Cather's belief in the "irreconcilable opposition" between art and life." put specifically who is saying that to prove that the speaker is credible and trustworthy. Nicoleritsick22 (talk) 17:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

When quoting directly from the story you need to cite where the quote came from even if it is one or two words. Also when stating a critic, you can't say "another critic." That makes the statement a non reliable source. Jmont6 (talk) 21:28, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The sentence that begins "Another critic..." has a note number at the end. This number refers you to a reliable source. This practice is acceptable. Oeparker1 (talk) 04:13, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Citation 15 does not lead to a page with any information. RichardJGrzanka (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Add more information

Add Info into the plot summary – describe the poor relationship that Paul and his father went through AKA when he entered the basement he thought his father might walk in with a gun and possibly kill him. That is an important part to the reason Paul is so messed up. Nicoleritsick22 (talk) 17:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I added information on Paul wanting to live a lavish life. Jswen1 (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree. I think if would be beneficial to talk not only about how Paul was afraid his father might accidentally kill him. But that if his father didn't kill him that he might regret it someday. PSahi1 (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Try talking about why Paul decided to jump in front of a train rather than shoot himself with the gun he already had. Did he want to be more noticed if he jumped in front a train? Did he want to make a "dramatic exit"? Was this the only way he could get attention? Jmont6 (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

This would definitely be an interesting and important topic to add. Readers should be made aware of the connections with Paul's choice to jump in front of the train.Cbaue1 (talk) 18:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree I think that would be an interesting topic for a different section or a sub-section in the already existing area.Wernerc5299 (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree Paul may have been trying to be dramatic but jumping in front of a train may have also been connected to his father. Paul very much disliked his father and knew he had and would use a gun so maybe he killed himself this way because he did not want to be like his father.Tylerassetta1 (talk) 19:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

In "Homosexual Identities in Willa Cather's 'Paul's Case'" the author argues that the reason for the suicide by train is that Paul is "modernity's victim." Other critics have other theories. Dumas1110 (talk) 21:25, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

More information about Paul's father would be useful, as their relationship could have motivated Paul's suicide. Pat otoole (talk) 16:40, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Added more about Paul's suicide but information still needs to be added about his father. Will wonti (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree that more information about his father is useful. I also think that info about his mother dying should be added to the plot summary and how that could have affected Paul's relationship with his father Paytonreis1 (talk) 19:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Add Info to the plot summary – describe the poor relationship between Paul and his father, and the importance of that relationship on how it affected Paul Psychologically (talk) 13 November 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandoncamposano (talk • contribs) 18:36, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that more information needs to be added on both Paul's mother and father. The death of Paul's mother as well as the strange relationship Paul had with his father could have been the motivating factors for his decision to commit suicide. Marissanicole123 (talk) 19:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I heavily agree on the fact that the lack of information on Paul and his fathers relationship can mislead a reader. The big idea is what was wrong with Paul, and the reasoning behind it. Leaving out his childhood and growing up with his father is a huge missing piece that has much to be talked about. Noah Eisel (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

More information part2

- Mention that his mother died in Colorado - I feel as if the parts that did not stick out to me as much, such as the “Burghers” part, was written in a whole paragraph while his love for theater and also his lies that got him kicked out of Carnegie Hall and school officially.

I feel that it could have been mentioned more not having a mother in Pauls life growing up effected him mentally.TrevorYano (talk) 00:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

His mother dying was mentioned with his teachers and is a big reason that paul might feel alone or act the same way. I don't really believe that smile of his comes altogether from insolence; there's something sort of haunted about it. The boy is not strong, for one thing. I happen to know that he was born in Colorado, only a few months before his mother died out there of a long illness. There is something wrong about the fellow." Nicoleritsick22 (talk) 17:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree that his mother dying is an important detail to add. Sparr3 (talk) 22:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

   His mother dying certainly took a toll on Paul, and should be highlighted more. Beilbacher (talk) 17:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Beilbacher

I also think that the death of Paul's mother is important to mention because if she had lived he would have had a different life. Rwein3 (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I believe that after Paul's mother died his father paid no attention to him and maybe that is why there is something wrong with him.Jmont6 (talk) 21:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the loss of Paul's mothers is a significant loss and should be expanded upon, however I believe Pauls mother is left out so that we as readers focus more on the relationship with his father. Kfile1 (talk) 20:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Paul's mother is only mentioned once or twice throughout the whole story, so we don't know much about her. We do know a couple of things though, the fact that she meant so much to Paul and how when she died he was devastated. SeanMazzei (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

More information part 3

The writing of the plot summary doesn't flow well, and should be reworded. Also, it is important to note that Paul isn't sure if it would have been worse if his father shot him, or didn't shoot him and then one day regretted it. Larnold624 (talk) 02:57, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I think this is important to add as it shows Paul was already having suicidal thoughts. Paytonreis1 (talk) 19:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

New Section

I feel that there is a need for a section that reviews Paul's psychological state of mind. This would also include the thoughts and interpretations about Paul's mental state as the story progresses. I believe that this sections inclusion of psychology would improve on the understanding of Paul's actions and train of thought as he exhibits different signs of mental illness throughout the story.Does anyone else also believe this? JCava2 (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the addition of a new section. This would allow readers to understand the struggles Paul had been facing and would give another perspective to what a typical reader interprets when reading the story the first time.TrevorYano (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, by adding a section that reviews Paul's psychological state of mind throughout the story will help reader's put together what Paul was thinking in the moments leading up to his suicide. GinaleeJimenez (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe that all Paul wanted was attention. He had no friends in school, his mother passed when he was a couple months old, and his father neglected him. I do believe there is something wrong with Paul's mental state. Jmont6 (talk) 21:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I also agree that he was looking for something more, like validation in his life and reassurance that he is loved. If we were to look more into Paul's mental state it would allow readers to understand whats truly wrong. Gchav1 (talk) 00:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

A new section for his mental state would greatly bolster the overall understanding of Paul and his decision to take his life when reading the article. Amend6 (talk) 22:37, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree that there should be a section that discusses Paul's psychological state. There are many instances in the story that allude to Paul having a mental illness all of which likely contribute to his suicide. PSahi1 (talk) 20:19, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree there is something wrong with Paul's state of mind. The narrator in the book wrote that there was a "dark place into which he dared not look," which could signify depression or some sort of paranoia (Cather, 543). There is always the possibility of Paul having co-occurring mental disorders, such as depression and narcissistic personality disorder, which would explain his attention-seeking behavior. --Cwhel1 (talk) 16:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment that there should be a section regarding Paul's mental state and how it deteriorates to the point that he is willing to commit suicide. However, I disagree with the idea that Paul solely wants attention, rather that he wants to achieve a dream and live a lifestyle that is simply unattainable to him. He gets a taste of it after stealing the money and going to New York and the idea that he will be forced to return to his old life (once he learns that his father is coming to New York to look for him to take him back is ultimately the thought that drives Paul to his eventual suicide.Tsonn1 (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2019

I also agree. About Paul's mental state there was little said of Paul's extreme isolation and more was said about his school and home life. I feel as though they should show that when Paul did appear happy, he was alone and preferred isolation, because it ties into his mental state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holly Barkal (talk • contribs) 22:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

  I agree about discussing Paul's mental state. He clearly struggled and showed signs of PTSD, or of being a narcissist. He suffered from something, and using it will show why he acts out.  Beilbacher (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Beilbacher

I also agree with how Paul's mental state is discussed in this section as well.Davontrey (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Plot Summary

I'm not quite sure I agree with the statement where it says Paul's relationship with his father was one of abuse. In the story there was no statement that Paul was being abused, seems that the idea is included from opinion more than facts. Yes, Paul does wonder what his father would do to him if he's caught but there was no evidence of the father being abusive to Paul in the story.Kristenn4 (talk) 18:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, saying his relationship with his father was one. of abuse can potentially mislead the readers view. It is powerful to say and the article lacks the other information on Paul and his Father's relationship. Noah Eisel (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Reading the plot summary I am a bit confused as to why the word burgher is linked to its definition. I understand that the word is used in the story, but the definition does not make sense to where and when the story takes place. I may get rid of burgher and reword the sentence a bit, but if someone can clarify the use then I will not.Sjv1060 (talk) 12:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I do agree that Paul's relationship could have been abusive. There are many reasons in the story that support that.Davontrey (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

The plot summary has too many places where the language is very close to language of the original text. I removed some. Others still stand. Dumas1110 (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree. I am going through to fix a few more.Sjv1060 (talk) 12:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I added, "Not only does Paul wonder if his father will recognize him in time, but he also entertains the idea of his father possibly regretting not shooting him when he had the chance to do so" because this is an important point in the story where the reader further understands exactly how Paul feels about his father and their relationship. VinceFaustini (talk) 03:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

The plot summary starts off by stating that Paul is getting suspended from his high school, but the story actually starts off with Paul already being suspended for a week, and he is there to fight this suspension. Also, the sentence that begins with "He enjoys..." is worded strangely and can be improved to sound better. Mkade1 (talk) 21:12, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Over-all I think the plot summary is good; but it could use some re-wording. I also think it should be included why Paul's father made Paul quit school and his job ushering to get a full time job. I think that information is important when talking about why Paul stole the money from the company and ran away to New York City. Hbran21 (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of money, Paul steals more than $1,000. The plot summary is not accurate. Dumas1110 (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree. However, I think the summary should go into more detail about why his life makes him so unhappy. Cbaue1 (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

The plot summary is well written, but should include the reoccurring reference to the "red carnation" that Paul carries around. In the end he sees that his carnation is wilted and dying, resembling him someway. Maybe instead of it being in the plot summary it could be in a section about symbolism throughout the story. DylanAponte (talk) 04:28, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The carnations are a large symbol within this short story, but there is no mention of them on this page. They are significant in showing the decline of Paul's mental state. Meghancichon (talk) 23:24, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree the carnations and the condition of the carnation throughout the book should be mentioned Rpate13 (talk) 19:48, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the carnation was a very important symbol in the story and it is not mentioned at all on this page. Nathan92299 (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It should also be included that Paul buys a carnation before he decides to kill himself, further carrying on the symbol of the carnations. Aross9 (talk) 00:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Where in the story does it mention Paul buying a gun his first day in New York? The only thing I see about him having one there is in the paragraph starting "His father was in New York..." It mentions the gun in the sentence: "It lay on his dressing-table now; he had got it out last night when he came blindly up from dinner, but the shiny metal hurt his eyes, and he disliked the looks of it".Emilydean1 (talk) 17:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

The sentence right before the one you posted ("The thing was winding itself up; he had thought of that on his first glorious day in New York, and had even provided a way to snap the thread") seems to indicate that the "way to snap the thread" is the gun. Dumas1110 (talk) 17:22, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

The plot summary doesn't cover all of the plot in which is the main point of the story. The information is insufficient and not helpful to a reader that has little to no knowledge on the story itself. I think that the plot summary would be more beneficial if the bond between Paul and his father was mentioned, if the role Paul plays around other kids his age is mentioned, and Paul's emotional state as well. Alang22 (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the Plot summary not covering all of the main points in the story. I decided to add some detail into the relationship Paul shared with his father, as I think thats very important and is a theme that comes up throughout the story, and leads to Paul's decision making who running away from homeMarc201 (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

This story has many layers and varying opinions which could lead to difficulty summarizing. Not enough artistic polarization between the city of NY and Pittsburgh never mentioned. An important root to Paul's behavior. Stellios23 (talk) 19:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I feel that this sentence [Being able to live by prospering was his only hope and dream.] in the plot summary could have a better flow. PSahi1 (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Well written plot summary, good job! Pjpelks (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I feel that the beginning of the plot summary should add more about how Paul's teachers and peers led him into his depressed state, ultimately leading to his eventual demise.Mattkrempa (talk) 13:45, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this point. The plot summary should emphasize more on the behavior of Paul in school and how he acts. His teachers and his peers don't understand what he is going through. SeanMazzei (talk) 02:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The plot summary includes a few places in which there are interpretations made on behalf of readers that do not necessarily belong in a plot summary which should simply be factual. In addition, there are statements made are directly from the story however there is no proper citation for them. Jfitz2 (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned that Paul caused himself to be isolated at school by lying to his peers and teachers about his job at Carnegie Hall. He made it seem like he was better than everyone else and that he did not need them because he had his friends at the stock company. It should also be noted that when those at the stock company heard about this, they laughed at the stories that Paul had told because their life was not as amazing as he had made it seem. Aross9 (talk) 23:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that there should be more information on the lies Paul tells his classmates to make himself seem superior.Agard6 (talk) 04:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agard6 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

More information part 4

I think that in the plot summary we should mention that Paul sneaks out of his house, and he constantly lies to his father because he is afraid to face him. Also, he does not have a good relationship with his father or his sisters. Kimcaaa (talk) 21:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

It is true that Paul does not have a good relationship with his father however we are not told or given any information which indicates that Paul does not have a good relationship with his sisters. They are barely even mentioned in the story - they were only mentioned once. Kyacrichton (talk) 01:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree that Paul and his father don't have a good relationship however we hardly know anything about the rest of Pauls family and the affect they have on him.Kfile1 (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with what your saying, but like everyone else said, we don't know enough about Paul's relationship with his siblings to make this call. Paul does not have a good relationship with this father though, his father does not understand that he is gay and he doesn't want to live the way his father is making him live. SeanMazzei (talk) 02:46, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

More information added to the page

I am going to add to the psychological understanding section that Paul was referred to as "the motherless boy" and how hard it can be for a child to be labeled like that by the community. Kimcaaa (talk) 20:26, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea to note this. It is a hard thing to go through when losing a parent, which can have psychological effects on a person. People must consider this when reading the article. Marissanicole123 (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Paul's Father

Added some information on Paul's father into the Plot Summary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcana1 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

I think adding more information about Paul's father will help readers better understand why him and Paul don't have a good relationship.Cbaue1 (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree, Because it is a significant plot point, More information about Paul's father would be a good thing. RichardJGrzanka (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

  I agree. Paul's father played a role in Paul's life and why he resented home. Going into depth about it would explain it better.

Beilbacher (talk) 17:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Beilbacher

I agree with adding information on Paul's father into the plot summary. Paul's father has played a big roll in his life and it would be nice to have more information on why Paul and his father don't have a good relationship.Kfile1 (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

The article states that Paul's father is abusive but that was never really proved in the story, either more evidence should be stated or the wording should be changed to say Paul's relationship with his father may have been abusive Abbeyperrin (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

It may be helpful to include James Obertino's critic about Paul possibly having PTSD in regards to his father. Obertino believes that when Paul sees his father at the top of the stairs, and discusses his disgust for his legs, this could be a sign of sexual abuse. Adding this would provide a more concrete reason as to why Paul's father has this abusive relationship with him. Abbeyperrin (talk) 21:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

References

James Obertino's critic states that Paul may possibly have PTSD caused by a sexual assault by his father at some point, but only gives one example being his disgust for his father's legs. While this is an intriguing point of view, I believe there is more evidence on why Paul's PTSD may come from his absent mother figure and overdominant father figure. Obertino explains a few points in his critic, being that Paul's father controls his life and tries to be a good father, but cannot live up and fill in Paul's mother's place in Paul's life. 2601:196:4801:BA9B:242A:9903:CA4:ED68 (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, there is not enough information to support the idea that Paul had an abusive relationship with his father. Adding Obertino's article would give more evidence on why this is true.Marissanicole123 (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I also agree, because it seems to be a very important part in the story and how Paul and his father don't have the strongest relationship. I feel that using Obertino's article can make a stronger point on how their relationship is. Asouza123 (talk) 19:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Plot Summary word changes

Changed some words in the Plot Summary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcana1 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Minor suggestions

The end of the plot summary sounds like a claim that could use more backing Calling the story a gay suicide in the criticism and significance this story seems out of place and almost like vandalism without any links to this claim Criticism and significance tab is lacking stating who the critics are and also lacks support for their claims. And then in the plot summary the line, "He meets with the principal and his teachers" could be changed to "He meets with his principal and his teachers", to make it more grammatically correct. Dmant1 (talk) 00:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree with how it ends, to me it seems a little biased. Jbarrios22 (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Throughout the article the protagonist is simply referred to as Paul, but in the Psychological Understanding section, he is referred to as "Paul" (with quotation marks). Is there a reason for this? If not, I suggest removing them to have the article remain consistent. Meghancichon (talk) 23:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why it's necessary to have Paul in quotations. Cbaue1 (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree I was also unsure of the use of the quotations Conaway7993 (talk) 21:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

The foreshadowing section says that the carnations symbolize Paul, but it could also be interpreted in other ways. Abbeyperrin (talk) 18:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this. I think that the carnations can be interpreted in many different ways depending on how one reviews the story. Asouza123 (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

physiological understanding

I added a large portion to this section in the section in the article to show a more dark side to Paul. Understanding why he is depressed and what could have been potentially the root of it is extremely important to understanding Paul's actions and motivations.. --Wernerc5299 (talk) 18:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that a point can be made that Paul is meant to be portrayed as a depressed character but is there no other way to view him? TrevorYano (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

  Discussing depression is a good point to make. He showed symptoms of depression in many different points. Beilbacher (talk) 17:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Beilbacher

The loss of a mother or growing up with proper parenting is a key in Paul's behavior but never explored throughout the article. Stellios23 (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Literary Criticism

I'd like to add information under the Literary Sources tab about and article published by Hayley Wilhelm, suggesting that the mental disorder Paul may have is autism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holly Barkal (talk • contribs) 22:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to expand on Hayley Wilhelm's claim that Paul has autism. Alexaorlando7 (talk) 23:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I added some information from Hayley Wilhelm's article about how she looked at the American Psychiatric Association to find the diagnostic criteria for Autism. LaurynB.7 (talk) 06:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to add information under the Literary Criticism section with a source that expands on the idea that Paul may have been homosexual. Mszos1 (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I would also like to add on to this section by discussing author Willa Cather and her ever-changing relationship with author Oscar Wilde, both of whom were publically scrutinized for their homosexuality. Tsonn1 (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)Tsonn1

References

I've added information under the literary criticism section that included an interpretation that Paul may have been fantasizing since after he went into the basement. I also credited the author by reusing a source already referred to in the article.Ztyler460 (talk) 02:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC) I added a quotation from Larry Rubin's article to demonstrate how they relateDavontrey (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I've added more information from Larry Rubin's article in order to give a more in-depth look at how Paul's relationship with his father and his isolation from others due to his physcological troubles effected his lifestyle.TrevorYano (talk) 19:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I added quoatations from James Obertino's article to show true signs of what people with PTSD have and to compare it to Paul's Case. In the examples of PTSD present they shows when Paul goes to New York to get away from his father, he may have been feeling some trauma because his father controlled his life and showed no pity, which is why he committed to actually get some pity from his dad and to not be around the control anymore. Thus, also connects to the authors being discussed to support Paul's PTSD. JuliannaS27 (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I added Information about Obertino's claim of Paul's father being part of the reason his post-traumatic stress disorderNicoleasinobi (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I added information from Rob Saari's article to support the idea that Paul has narcissistic personality disorder. Marissanicole123 (talk) 19:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I have also added more information that supports this idea. Neeshamelendez (talk) 02:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I added a fact to this as well. Jbarrios22 (talk) 07:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I added a reference to Larry Rubin's article to back up the way that Rubin uses the way Paul dresses to prove that he is homosexual.ShifterFister (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I provided further context as to why Cather made alterations to the title, paragraph structure, dictation, and simplification to the story of "Paul's Case" based around a scholarly article written by David Carpenter. He provides insight to Cather's early naturalistic mentality and compares it to her later passion towards more romantic works and writing style.Stellios23 (talk) 21:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Adaptations

I will be adding that "Paul's Case" was released on a cassette tape in 1986 to the adaptations. Sparr3 (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Psychological understanding

The whole section called "Psychological understanding" contains interpretation. While it links to the story and the Wikipedia page on major depressive disorder, it does not conform to Wikipedia's standards of using sources that can be verified. It does mention Obertino, a credible source who is mentioned earlier in the article. I am removing the entire section. This is an encyclopedia, not the place for original interpretation. Oeparker1 (talk) 23:36, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I've also made pretty much the same argument with the section on "foreshadowing", which offers a reading of Paul's carnation which, though it cites someone else' work on the text, does not make clear that it is interpretation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owensaunders98 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

More About the Author

With all of the claims made about what many believe the interpretation of the story was meant to be, it would be useful to have a small section about the author. Including more details Cather to the article may be able to either explain or denounce some interpretations or beliefs drawn from the story.Jfitz2 (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree, knowing something about the author even if it is not a lot could maybe help us look at the story in a new way. It could even help us understand why Paul hate his life and entourage that much. Agard6 (talk) 04:42, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Although it would be nice to know a little bit more about the article, I feel the suspicion on how Paul really feels and why things happen the way they do is it get everyone thinking, and by this occurring, there are many possibilities as to why Paul acts the way he does. Therefore, I believe the true reason why the author made Paul like that a mystery, because then when every theory is then proven wrong, the year-long developed theories, won't be cool to look at.JuliannaS27 (talk) 05:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that knowing background information about an author is extremely helpful.Davontrey (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I totally agree with this and that it can help give a different look on the story just by knowing a little information on the author. Asouza123 (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Cather's upbringing and period of life surrounding the time period in which she wrote Paul's Case is a vital piece of the story. I believe she also yearned for more art culture in her life which later caused her to revise the work some 20 years later. Stellios23 (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Repeated Point

In the literary criticism section (which probably needs a lot of rewriting to flow better), there are two sentences that mention Paul possibly being narcissistic. I feel that if both sources are needed, they should be listed together rather than several sentences apart — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsous1 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

That's a great idea. That section reads like a list: one sentence about each source. Dumas1110 (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I will be rewriting this section into a readable paragraph form --Vsous1 (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

It makes the sources more organized and easier to find (look for), good observation.JuliannaS27 (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

References

I noticed for reference number 9 that if the link is copied and pasted it does not lead to anything about Paul's Case. Has anyone else tried to get to this source?Mszos1 (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the link for number 9 doesn't lead me anywhere Abbeyperrin (talk) 18:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I also tried clicking the link for number 9 and it also has led me no where. Asouza123 (talk) 19:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Add a Section

I think it would be good to add a characters tab in the table of contents which would include: Paul, Paul's Father, Charley Edwards, The English Teacher, The Yale Freshmen.Ccapa1 (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree and think it would be beneficial to the reader to add a characters tab. Has there been any more discussion on adding this? Sbraith21 (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this too, because all seem to play an important role in Paul's life even if they weren't mentioned the whole time they still had an impact.JuliannaS27 (talk) 05:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree and with this statement. I feel like it would provide some nice information on characters that have affected Paul in someway, shape, or form. Kfile1 (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Are you all editing this page as part of a class? It's fine if you are, I'm just curious. This page has a lot wrong with it and probably needs a top-down rewrite at some point. Urve (talk) 21:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)