Talk:Patrick Troughton/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I'd like to see more citations, but still technically a B.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 13:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Mystery man and citation

I was watching the KTEH interview with Troughton, in which he says that he thought he might do the role in blackface and "play it like Conrad Weiss, that sort of thing". I've got no idea who this is (or if I'm spelling it correctly) — anybody else here have a clue?

Also, the interviewer is named Terry Phillips: should I put that in the citation? If so, where? (Online MLA reference pages were unclear, and I don't know where my MLA Style Handbook is.) —Josiah Rowe 06:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

He was referring to Conrad Veidt, who played in blackface in The Thief of Baghdad. Just Interview with Terry Phillips should do, I think. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:36, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Terence! —Josiah Rowe 14:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Good thing they didn't go for that! A blackface Doctor Who would have been a travesty. Type 40 (talk) 17:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I rather suspect that if they had done that the series wouldn't still be around four decades later. Nobody's about to revive The Black and White Minstrel Show (and rightly so). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The character "Leela" in 1977 was "blacked up" to appear darker as were the other actors who portrayed her "tribe", luckily they toned this down as the show progressed. It's especially obvious in early publicity shots. Of course, this was an age when it was acceptable to stick a prosthetic forehead and eyelids on John Bennet in "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" to imitate the supposed appearance of a Chinese man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.218.166 (talk) 02:45, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I can never remember how Patrick Troughton's surname is pronounced. TROW-ton? TROT-ton? It has that English-language monster "ough" in it: bough, cough, through, though, rough, etc. GBC 03:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It's TROW-ton. Some fans refer to him as "The Mighty Trout", which should help you remember. (But we probably ought to have a pronounciation on the article page — someone who's better at IPA symbols than I am should do it.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree - also a pronunciation sound file. PMA 03:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Film or TV?

"Troughton's notable film roles include Sir Andrew Ffoulkes in The Scarlet Pimpernel (1954)" The Scarlet Pimpernel (1954) is a TV series according to IMDB. -- Proteus71 14 March 2006

cancer?

i read that at some point he had a lung removed due to lung cancer - is this true? PMA 16:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

-*he did have a large enough section of it removed from the exterior of the lung for it to be safe just to stay there without any further growth or causing any problems for his forseeable future, but retained both lungs-

Image choice

We ought to have an image in the "Doctor Who" section that reflects Troughton's time as the lead of the series. However, I think that the two images recently used to head that section are both from multi-Doctor serials: I'm pretty sure Image:Trougp03.jpg is from The Two Doctors, and I think Image:Trougp08.jpg is from The Three Doctors. Do we have a good image (say, the one with the 500-year diary?) that's unequivocally from the 1966–69 period? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

deleted my contribution

what i added was removed because the person who removed it didnt think that it was a big enough part of the character to even bother about, this is ridiculous! of course pats oversized fur coat IS a big part of his character in doctor who, it is what many people who watched him in the sixties remembers, that and the yeti, there really isnt alot about him on this website and there ought to be alot more! considering just who he was and just what he did, not just his work in doctor who but also outside of the program, in various other films and television stories over the years, the fur coat formed such a big part of him, and he mentioned it in countless interviews, so has his firends and co-stars from doctor who, as well as production,crew and some of the guests theyve had over the years, obviously the person who removed it knows extremely little about that part of the shows early history, only the basics are here, things that you can pick up from things more than likly downloaded off of the internet, from the myth makers dvd all about pat troughton and from various bits scattered accross you-tube.

perhaps the avdent of an autobiography would clear this up once and for all, to give more than a small amount of detail included here, but if you search through several internet sites then perhaps youll get a much larger image of patrick troughton, and just what he stood for, wha he ment to the show, his life, and his filmography, he ment so much more than seven paragraphs, much more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hartnell114 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

Troughton's health - sources?

Where does the information about Troughton's health come form ("never entirely robust" "refused to accept his doctor's advice" etc.)? Could someone please give any sources?

Wasn't he a smoker? Type 40 (talk) 21:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Heart attack [1] Type 40 (talk) 21:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

Are there any pics of Pat in character? Type 40 (talk) 01:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, see Facebook: THE AMAZING WORLD OF DOCTOR WHO for his part in "Bees over the Boatdeck", Mill Hill School, March 1937! 213.120.97.230 (talk) 12:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Alternative Stage Name?

Richard Bartlam? where and when did he go by this name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.117.67 (talk) 03:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

contined/== Mercury Theatre? ==

I have made this edit. My reasons are as follows:

• The original statement is unsourced, so technically I could just have deleted it
• I can find no independent evidence that there is or ever has been a "Mercury Theatre" in Nottingham
• The Pilgrim Players' base was the Mercury Theatre, Notting Hill Gate, London
• A google search of the phrase "mercury theatre in nottingham" (with the quotes), produces numerous hits, but every one of them is a reference to Patrick Troughton, so it seems that they have all been copied from here

If somebody can show me that I'm wrong about this, I will owe them a fulsome apology. But I'm not holding my breath. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 15:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Filmography

Escape (1948)

Hamlet (1948)

Badger's Green (1949)

Cardboard Cavalier (1949)

Chance of a Lifetime (1950)

Treasure Island (1950)

Waterfront (1950)

The Woman With No Name (1950)

The Franchise Affair (1951)

White Corridors (1951)

The Black Knight (1954)

Richard III (1955)

The Curse of Frankenstein (1957)

The Moonraker (1958)

The Phantom of the Opera (1962)

Jason and the Argonauts (1963)

The Black Torment (1964)

The Viking Queen (1966)

The Scars of Dracula (1970)

Frankenstein and the Monster From Hell (1974)

The Omen (1976)

Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger (1977)

So Patrick Troughton had a substantive film career outside of Doctor Who then?

1984?

According to this entry, and other places on the internet, it lists Pat as playing Winston Smith in a 1965 BBC Home Service Production of 1984. After looking for a recording of it, I did find this page: http://enterthebeyondcouk.blogspot.com/2011/04/radio-times-1984-big-brother-25th.html

It's a scan of the Radio Times for 1965 for a BBC TV production of 1984. I'm not seeing any listing for the radio version anywhere, so I'm wondering if someone is confused. If anyone can find a reference for the radio version, can they please post it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyrixx (talk • contribs) 23:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Can we rely on Pertwee?

This anecdote: "He used to wear a tea cosy on his head in cold weather in the North Sea." comes from Jon Pertwee. Pertwee was a leg-puller and an exaggerator of anecdotes. Might it just be possible that Troughton wore a bobble hat? It must be borne in mind that while Pertwee and Troughton were in the Royal Navy at the same time, they didn't know each other then. 209.94.191.126 (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

It's been written by Michael Troughton too. During the war, Pat's wife told him to wear a hat, and he took the tea cosy. And there's even a photo! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.93.6.48 (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

References

https://critfailure.blogspot.com/2019/01/a-rather-difficult-week.html - a wargamer researched the original battle reports. It also adds a Naval soubriquet explaining his marriage issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.68.80.209 (talk) 03:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Jane Troughton

To save someone else a future dead end: After much rummaging, I found that the Jane Troughton with the most Google hits, a fashion designer formerly with Pocket Venus, now known as Jane Bonsor and with Korla, is not the same Jane that is Patrick's daughter; her father's name was James, according to her engagement announcement linked at Bonsor baronets. Floatjon (talk) 08:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Above is correct. The fashion designer is not the daughter of Patrick Troughton. I used to work with Jane (Troughton) - daughter of Patrick - in the Eighties when we were both living in the state of Utah, USA. At the time she was married and worked as a secretary. BunnyMum7 (talk) 19:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Patrick Troughton/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs citing ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 07:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC) == Biography assessment rating comment == WikiProject Biography Assessment I'd like to see more citations, but still technically a B. The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 13:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 13:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 02:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Events on day of death

Ok, don't know how to effect this, since I'm a primary source. I was at the convention where he died. The page says "Troughton appeared to be in good spirits and participated vigorously in the day's panels" ... well yes he did look fine, but he died on Friday Night, the convention started on Saturday. There had been no panels by the time he died. They discovered his body the next morning, when they tried to track him down since he was late for a panel. Quite late in fact. It was a depressing convention.

This correction has not been made. Not sure how to remove something I know is wrong, but I can't document something that did not happen. Search the date of death, I'm sure it was on the friday.

-GReg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.244.237 (talk) 02:06, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Divorce date

Is there a source for the 1955 date cited for Patrick Troughton's divorce from his first wife Margaret?Tthe reason I ask is that Michael Troughton's biography of his father seems to contradict this. He would seem to confirm that his parents separated around 1955 and that Patrick began living with Bunny Nuens at the time of the separation. However he makes very clear in the biography a) that knowledge of the separation was limited (indeed Patrick Troughton's own mother was unaware of it and according to Michael had no knowledge children by Bunny Nuens) b) Margaret Troughton did not seek a divorce and she and Patrick decided not to divorce and officially remained married throughout this period. The biography also indicates a temporary reconciliation with Margaret c 1966 and suggests that they were still married at this point. Michael Troughton's account suggests that the divorce only came when he and Bunnt Neuns split for the final time and he wanted to marry Sheila Holdop. Dunarc (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2019 (UTC)