Talk:Patidar

Removed large section of uncited history claims

Today I removed a large chunk of the article covering the claimed history of the clan, as it made strong claims for Kshatriya origin and descent from Ram that are directly controverted by academic sources (which I've now included in the article). MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Skew in sex ratio

There is an lurking question regarding the sources supporting the information recently added concerning Kurmi-Patidar marriages and also marriages between Gujarati Patidars and those from other states. They say that there is a perceived problem with the Gujarati Patidar community lacking sufficient brides due to a significant skew in the sex ratio. It is well known that, for example, female infanticide, is still practiced by some communities in India and that female children are more often seen as a burden than they would if in, say, the US or Europe (eg: because of dowries). More often than not in India, a significant skew is a consequence of deliberate discrimination at a young, even pre-birth, stage. Is there some other possible cause? We certainly need to say something. - Sitush (talk) 20:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I am a bit loathe to put something in the article without discussion because I get enough crap thrown at me for perceived insults against castes but, for example, see this story. I would much prefer some academic anthropological/sociological etc source. Perhaps there is something more useful in this one, or this or this. - Sitush (talk) 20:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Some doubts regarding varna and it's application

"The varna system comprises Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras, with those unclassified being untouchables. Broadly speaking, Vaishyas were business people involved in moneylending, trading and similar activities, while Shudras were manual workers" --- Where is the evidence that those 'unclassified' were 'untouchables' ? What about the 'tribal' communities or groups like Lingayaths ? Which authority traveled from place to place across the whole of india and provided such 'classification' to the thousands of endogamous groups ? Most communities had no idea which varna they belonged to during the colonial census.

The above line in the article also mentions that Shudras were manual workers. I believe this has been taken from some DharmaShastra like Manu Smriti. However, as per Arthashastra, duties of the Sudra are serving the twice-born (dvijati), agriculture, cattle-breeding, and trade (varta), the profession of artisans and court-bards. How do we reconcile with such inconsistencies ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timdrake91190 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2024

LochanPatel (talk) 08:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

"After Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh accounts for the second-largest population of Patidars, followed by Rajasthan. In Madhya Pradesh, the entire Malwa-Nimar region and some parts of the Bhopal division have a majority of Patidars. In Rajasthan, the Vagad-Mewad belt similarly accounts for a large Patidar population."

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 23:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2024

2409:40C4:1F:5CA7:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)This all are alternative Names of Kanbi ᴘᴀᴛᴇʟ,ᴘᴀᴛɪʟ, ᴘᴀᴛɪᴅᴀʀ, ᴍᴀʀᴀᴛʜᴀ, ᴋᴜʀᴍɪ,ᴋᴜɴʙɪ,ᴋᴀɴʙɪ,ᴋᴀʟʙɪ, ᴀɴᴊᴀɴᴀᴘᴀᴛᴇʟ,ᴅᴀɴɢɪ GUJJAR this is a ancestors of Kanbi Like as smart छत्रपतिशिवाजी ,नागभट्टप्रतिहार,चालुक्य*राजचोलम*सरदारपटेल*संभाजीमहाराज

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 01:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Misinformation regarding Anjana Chaudhary

"The Anjana Kanbis are similar to Rajputs, and eat meat and drink alcohol"
Change the above statement in the article
As Anjana Chaudhary or Kanbis do not eat meat nor do they drink alcohol.
Refer to this page for detailed information about Anjana Chaudhary.
Anjana Chaudhary

43.242.123.26 (talk) 05:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Godhavani Riwaj of Patel, rabari and Darbar of Gujarat

Godhavani riwaj is a ritual where they ask their daughter of call all boys and men of 2 villages maiden and in laws village to rape their own daughters to make their daughters whores. This kind of riwaj is obviously prohibited by government but it is still done by Patel, rabari and Darbar samaj with lot of party and celebrations one day after the wedding night.

Pehla badha rabari hata. Rabari ma thi j amuk faatel (raand) samaj na loko a juda thayi ne faatidar samaj banayo hato. A pehla na faatel (rand) samaj na loko aaj Patel samaj na loko thaya chhe.

Why Godhavani riwaj?

Gujarat has a history of baharvatiya, looters of dacoits. People of villages in Gujarat are expert chor till date. They used to wear black worship maa kaali. They have a history of koe ni abru k Paisa na rehva didha. They were such looters they looted every single women in village. There were child marriages and girl used to go after getting her period. She had a wedding night. The next day after wedding night Godhavani riwaj was celebrated. The girl has to invite all boys and men to rape her. It was like a system of Nagar Vadhu. Till date Patel has Godhavani riwaj in cities like Ahmedabad and Gandhinagar. Even in Mumbai and USA they still celebrate Godhavani riwaj one day after wedding night of new bride.

In the past there were 2 kinds of marriages in Patel, rabari and Darbar. Either they purchase a girl by paying her father or they abduct a girl if she beautiful mostly when she goes to bath or fill water.

Nowadays Patel, rabari and Darbar also give share in property to their daughters. At the same time they still have Godhavani riwaj because their community do no want to change.

Patel, rabari and Darbar are the criminal community of Gujarat from the era of Rajput, during the era of Mughal, during the era of British and till date.

The Patidar community showed interest in politics during British rule. The story of Lav and Kush Clan was made out to cheat Britishers but other Gujarati remembers the history. Inspite of having all political positions in Gujarat. They still ask their daughters to show call all men of 2 villages maiden and in laws village to rape her. The community don't want to change and abolish the riwaj of whorifying their daughters. Chokri ne raand karvani riwaj etle Godhavani Riwaj.

Obviously I am a Patel daughter who faught in the Supreme Court of India and still there is no change in my community. 2409:40C1:10F4:7758:4497:B0FF:FEF0:965E (talk) 10:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)