Talk:Pastina

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Whether is pastina a Turkish cuisine or not, or should it be splitted to Şehriye?--Ahmetlii (talk) 10:34, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my source for supporting that's a Turkish cuisine.--Ahmetlii (talk) 10:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide references here in English, so that everyone here can try to understand. That is only fair. This is an English language page. Please do not supply references in Turkish or French.

Pastina is an Italian-language term designating an Italian-originated and Italian-developed pasta type. It is not Turkish in origin or development, however much that it may be used there, or anywhere else for that matter.71.112.248.72 (talk) 10:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to say "reference is reference", and every reference in every language can be a citation.Ahmetlii (talk) 11:01, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Common sense, decency and a sense of fairness dictate that any reference given in a Wikipedia page should be written in the same language as that which is found on said page. Anything else arrives as an attempt to conceal truth by subterfuge. That being made clear, however, you referenced an entire book, not a specific sentence or paragraph to support your claim. Additionally, your reference doesn't appear to even mention Pastina, therefore it cannot be used as a reference in such an article specifically about Pastina.71.112.248.72 (talk) 11:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ You can put this to rest by creating a new, separate page on English language Wikipedia for Şehriye. You however, cannot, link it to Pastina, as you have produced no proof that either one was derived from the other.71.112.248.72 (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following was taken from a Turkish to English dictionary. Please note that şehriye does not translate to Pastina.

Meanings of "şehriye" in English Turkish Dictionary : 3 result(s)

Category Turkish English 1 Common Usage şehriye noodle n. 2 Gastronomy şehriye vermicelli 3 Gastronomy şehriye noodle

Meanings of "şehriye" with other terms in English Turkish Dictionary : 9 result(s)

Category Turkish English 1 General tel şehriye vermicelli n. 2 General arpa şehriye grain-shaped macaroni n. 3 Food Engineering tel şehriye vermicelli 4 Gastronomy arpa şehriye orzo n. 5 Gastronomy domatesli şehriye çorbası vermicelli soup with tomatoes n. 6 Gastronomy tel şehriye noodles 7 Gastronomy şehriye çorbası vermicelli soup 8 Gastronomy şehriye çorbası noodles vermicelli chicken broth soup 9 Gastronomy tavuklu şehriye çorbası chicken noodle soup

Source: https://tureng.com/en/turkish-english/%C5%9Fehriye

So you can see, şehriye does not translate to Pastina.71.112.248.72 (talk) 13:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest you look up photographs easily found on google images to compare the differences in appearance between Pastina and şehriye. Pastina tends to be round and about 1mm in diameter. Sehriye is elongated in shape, resembling rice and is about 4-5mm long.71.112.248.72 (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then this should be changed (including şehriye's redirect in all languages). Ahmetlii (talk) 19:02, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in the various languages present, they all repeat the same mistake from simply copying and pasting the same references, wherein it is assumed incorrectly and quite loosely that there is an equivalency between the Italian forms of pasta and the Turkish. While this sort of thing might allow for convenient substitutes in the kitchen, or as a generalized means of comparison, it fails to address the separate origins, the subsequent separate gastronomical histories and significant differences in the respective shapes, size and elemental compositions.71.112.248.72 (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Official Wikipedia admonishments against edit warring aside, we appear to have agreed to change this article by eliminating any references to Turkish cuisine and to start an English language article for Sehriye. Please respond. 71.112.248.72 (talk) 10:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]