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Since someone is deciding to violate WP:GenderIdentity and MOS:Identity, let's chat.

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73.191.40.183 (talk) 16:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC) Emily Esque[reply]

See Wikipedia:Gender identity, The Wachowskis (includes birth name), Chelsea Manning (includes birth name).--50.249.27.137 (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Those analogies are inapt. Both Ms. Wachowski and Ms. Manning were notable under their former names, thereby making the presence of their former names relevant. No such case can be made here; the only reason to include Ms. Molloy's former name is prurient interest, which is not allowed under WP:Gender Identity or MOS:Identity Emily Esque (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC) Emily Esque[reply]

Lea T --50.249.27.137 (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination for deletion

Parker just mentioned she'd rather have this page deleted: https://bsky.app/profile/parkermolloy.com/post/3lbl3dt6lxs2h

> I'd feel safer in this world if didn't have a Wikipedia entry, to be honest. I don't think i meet notability criteria. If anyone can push to try to get it deleted altogether, I'd be fine with that. Drewmca (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drewmca: U1 explicitly does not apply to article space. See also WP:OWN. If you feel that any of the material on the page fails WP:BLP, then be bold and remove it. If you think the subject does not meet our notability guideline, you may propose deletion or start an articles for deletion discussion. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 00:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Belatedly noticed this after !voting in the AfD. I think there's enough notability, but if the subject wants the page removed and doing so does not violate our rules, I would honor her wishes. Funcrunch (talk) 18:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]