Talk:Paris syndrome

Please translate

The external links to the official psychological journals are all in French and in need of accurate translation for more factual detail to be included in the entry.-- Choeki 12:35, 26 Oct 2006 (UTC)

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I'm surprised there's not any material on how this condition has mutuated into several variants: Older people and women aare most often affected by the variant popularly known as Versailles Complex, while young people are most often afflicted by Left Bank Mania. I would volunteer to do it myself if I weren't suffering from an advanced case of DCulosis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.128.53 (talk) 14:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Offensive?

The sentence "Also the lack of customer service in France is a huge shock to the uninitiated tourist" is a little harsh. Could it not be worded to a more open-minded view? Bizzmag (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

So do you want to censor it or do you want to sugar-coat it? Angry bee (talk) 17:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Mayhaps that could be worded more diplomatically. "The level of customer service given in France can often be below what many tourists traditionally expect." Of course, that may be a bit hard to source. Skyrocket (talk) 23:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

No reason to sugar-coat or censoring: the level of service in France is abysmal, especially from a Japanese point of view. Definitely a bit hard to source but still no point denying reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.76.199 (talk) 14:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Accuracy

Missing reference to the following statements:

"French high-fashion brands are mainly for foreign consumers" and "the French population are far more overweight than the Japanese population"

In what sense are the French "far more overweight" ? I will delete both sentences in 48 hours unless solid references are provided. 132.230.30.143 (talk) 13:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

According to this site: http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat.html (Percentage of overweight population at age 15 and over) France 40.1% Japan 22.6%

But I agree that the numbers are not big enough to warrant mentioning, not a cause of the syndrome itself nor relevant when it comes to such as cosmopolitan city as Paris. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.218.140.248 (talk) 04:34, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to bring up the statement "The embassy reports that on average twelve people suffer from this disorder annually," followed in "Susceptibility" by the figure of twenty annually reported by the embassy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aequitas333 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

reverse syndrome

I would be interested to know if French visitors to Tokyo experience a similar syndrome.--Auric (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The reverse: usually they are in awe at how such a metropolis can be so clean and organized when compared to the, rather small, Paris. So they might actually experience Stendhal syndrome rather than "Paris Syndrome" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.76.199 (talk) 14:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Article doesn't actually mention what Paris Syndrom is

It describes the symptoms, who is usually most affected by it, etc., but to the uninformed reader it offers little explanation. There is no statement in the article that actually provides a definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tre0n (talk • contribs) 22:40, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The first sentence is the exact definition. I'm not sure what you're actually looking for. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't state what distinguishes this disorder from other disorders. I agree this is a poorly written article. 163.151.56.62 (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Reasons

"The authors of the article, in the 2021 French journal of psychiatry Nervure, cite the following as contributory factors:"

This cannot be right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PedroLamarao (talk • contribs) 14:47, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

It might be one day. But you're right, it's not. Thanks. Now corrected. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

It looks like this section was actually referring to the Nervure article from 2004, which explains why there was one vague uncited reference to a 2012/2021 article on this page. NinjaLore (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

The real reason is that people expect to find the epitome of high culture rather than a bunch of African and Arab vagrants defecating in public. The disconnect between expectation and reality is an assault to many people's sensibilities.

That would be offensive though. Let us fill this article with everything except the real reason and further confuse people. It's pathetic. This article should be flagged for deletion since it doesn't deliver a single honest piece of information. The Impartial Truth (talk) 02:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Disparity in number of cases per year

"The embassy reports that on average twelve people suffer from this disorder annually."

"according to an administrator at the Japanese embassy in France, around twenty Japanese tourists a year are affected by the syndrome."

Both with citations. So, which is it, twelve or twenty? Churba (talk) 09:33, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Obviously, 12-20 then. --Rev L. Snowfox (talk) 04:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Is this article a joke?

The first paragraph reads like satire. Surely no one really takes this "syndrome" seriously, attributing "acute psychiatric symptoms" to it? I think the article should be deleted. jej1997 (talk) 03:19, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jej, I believe that this article should remain because it is a real occurrence. Extreme disappointment can lead to stress, which in turn causes the said "syndrome." It links to Psychosomatic in the first paragraph. If you give it a read, it may clarify some things.

Love, Dadofme (talk) 03:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The article is reliably sourced, see the Bibliography section. Paris is sold as the most beautiful and romantic city despite being regularly ranked as one of the rudest to tourists, and East Asia buys into those claims hard. Take culture shock (which is already stronger going between East and West), crank it up to eleven, throw in:

• a sense of powerlessness from none of your preparations being the least bit useful (Parisians hate it when you speak English)
• a creeping sense of paranoia (Parisians hate tourists)
• a growing sense of disgust at completely unfamiliar food (many Asians turn their nose at cheese that isn't American or this sweet milk-jelly stuff I thought was supposed to be a non-dairy creme substitute, think that western style bread is all like Sponge cakes or croissants, and are often raised with assumed culinary theories that conflict on points with western cuisine)
• discovering that everything about your greatest lifelong dream is a complete lie made up to take your hard earned money
• knowing that when you get home you'll be told that your experience must be wrong, you must have done something wrong, and your trauma can't possibly be real because Paris is magical and wonderful and nothing bad ever happens there

Is what this article describes really that much of a wonder?

I'm in China, and even here plenty of restaurants and especially cafes and pastry shops try to attempt whatever unbelievable connection to Paris they can. Some of my students think less of me because I (a westerner) not only have never been to Paris, but recommend that they visit London, Munich, or Rome instead. Yet when some of my students came back from France over summer break, you could see a confused, frustrated, and disappointed conflict in their eyes as they tried to reconcile what everyone else told about Paris (which must be true!) with what happened to them (which must be a mistake!). Ian.thomson (talk) 04:11, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Bold claims for someone who has never been to Paris. More simply, Paris is a place where 2 millions people live and another 5 millions work daily, not a playground for tourists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.21.171.222 (talk) 16:40, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

That you say "not a playground for tourists" is an affirmation of my explanation. The French government affirms that Parisians are rude to tourists] despite Paris's primary industry being tourism (and being the top of the game at that). I've met college students here in China who seriously believe France's primary language is English and are unable to comprehend that French is still the primary language there. Add in that with constantly being told that Paris is the most wonderful and romantic city ever and that every visit can only be a Hollywood romance, and you're going to get some serious conflicts when reality hits. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:40, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

No, even if tourism plays an important role in Paris, it is far from being the primary industry of the place. Hardly 9,3 % of the jobs in the Paris Region, 12% in Paris itself. It is harder to have stats on the Product generated by Tourism, but it is evaluated to 56bn in all France in 2013, while the only Paris Region GIP at the same time was 642bn. Less than 10% - meaning 90% of the Parisians are not dependent on tourism. And Munich, really ? Half the monuments in this city are 1945-1955 reconstruction and museum-wise, well, it's good for a provincial german town. 93.21.171.222 (talk) 15:54, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Is there any single industry that's not affected by tourism that's larger? At any rate, you are avoiding the main point -- Paris is undeniably ruder to tourists than other cities despite tourism being a significant industry there. The whole "not a playground for tourists" bit forgets that people only remember the one rude tourist and never notice the twenty or forty who were well behaved. Anyone who is either cosmopolitan or well traveled should understand that. Seriously, would you reduce your own income by one-tenth to never see foreigners who just want to show up, say "wow, this is a nice place," take some pictures, spend money on you, and cause as little trouble as possible? If so, how would it not be the epitome of rudeness to hurt oneself just to inconvenience others who meant no harm? I'll grant that any city should be free to wish that they get no rude tourists, but it would be a childish delusion to pretend that all tourists can only be rude. Then there's the issue that it's entirely possible (if not likely) for someone to make mistakes in any culture they weren't born and raised in -- it is illiberal, anti-egalitarian, and far from fraternal to expect that everyone instinctively know how one should behave in one's home culture. Oh, and it doesn't make any sense to complain about them visiting Munich instead if you don't want them in Paris. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

A city of 1.5 million, third-largest in Germany, a "provincial town"? Someone's salty that tourists don't care for their personal standards of awesomeness. Get a grip. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 06:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I have been to Paris. What you say is absolutely true. Paris is a large, crowded, working-class capitol city, and this is what is so shocking. And it's not just Japan and SE Asia where Paris is marketed as a romantic fairytale destination. I don't think it's fair to blame Parisians for that fact, and I certainly don't think other countries need to cater only to tourists, but Paris is shockingly different than many expect it to be. It's basically Philadelphia with better museums. 2601:281:C100:24B0:1C9A:F87C:344F:285D (talk) 22:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

This article is not satire, Paris Syndrome is not a joke, and Japanese tourists are not the only ones who experience this. I know this because I am from the US and experienced a case of it when I traveled there in 2018. When I conduct more research on this affliction among Americans, I will contribute to the article. 2601:281:C100:24B0:1C9A:F87C:344F:285D (talk) 21:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

It was either psychosomatic or you were just shocked to find no Frenchmen and a bunch of immigrants instead. This article is so ridiculous it should be satire. This should be included on the page for a fitting psychological condition, it doesn't deserve its' own article. The Impartial Truth (talk) 02:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Seems to be a genuine and well-documented psychological condition principally reported to affect Japanese tourists. The article seems to be clear and well-balanced and makes no unfounded medical claims. I don't see any valid case for deletion. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to remove possible advert or graffiti

I think the video game link in "related articles" is not appropriate, seems completely unrelated to Paris Syndrome. I will delete the link if there are no objections. I will improve the page instead of just removing content by linking to a travel sickness or a homesickness good quality article. Mediation4u ^(chat) _{nb: editing is fun} 07:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Real syndrome?

The article claims that only a few dozens of Japanese tourists, out of the 1.1 million that visit annually, manifest symptoms associated with the "syndrome". A lot of the evidence pertaining to the so-called syndrome stems from sensationalistic BBC pieces and has in fact been refuted multiple times by the Japanese embassy in Paris. That doesn't constitute a syndrome at all, and the lead section should be edited to reflect that. Qualcomm250 (talk) 12:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I propose deleting the entire article. The only sources in the bibliography constitute sensationalist journalism, as opposed, to say, medical journals if we're discussing a real syndrome. It's like a petty dig at French people with a veneer of authority because journalists have coined the term, but to call it a "syndrome" and define it is as if it actually causes real medical problems without any medical authority is plainly improper and is harmful to Wikipedia if it wishes to maintain any standards of legitimacy. EnterTheLongMan (talk) 20:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Disagree with this argument. Inclusion on Wikipedia is based on WP:NOTABILITY. The phenomenon is definitely notable because it's been significantly covered. Whether or not that coverage translates to reality is a separate matter; that should be discussed in the article itself. I'm not fully convinced the syndrome is a real thing, but fully convinced that there should be an article potentially challenging it. seefooddiet (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

There's an article in the Atlantic about it.

Also, it's real. I had it. 2601:281:C100:24B0:1C9A:F87C:344F:285D (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Temporary protection regarding upcoming Paris OG

I feel like this article (especially its poor quality as of today) may have negative repercussions and spray hostility between groups (locally and internationally), especially during the preparation of the JOP2024, event already debated among certains groups of french citizens for the modality of organization and costs

Why not protect the page (and maybe before add quality and cautious banners) for the duration of the JOP? 2A01:CB0D:21:1100:7684:9C2C:B5F4:D242 (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Seems that protection was not required? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)