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The only info is about the 2005 event. Has it not been held every year since, meaning this article is now 2 years out-of-date? Needs an update. - Ageekgal 08:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Salon de locomotion aerienne 1909 Grand Palais Paris.jpg

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Two different articles make claim to be the "oldest" airshow

Both the Paris Airshow and the ILA Berlin Airshow pages make claims to being the "oldest" airshows in existence. However, both airshows cannot be the "oldest" unless they both started on the same day. Rbpassm (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Frankfurt "International Flight Exhibition" opened in July with intention of being open to the public for 100 days[1]. The Paris show could be argued to be a continuation of the 1908 exhibition within the motor show. Just hope Farnborough isn't seen as a continution of the Olympia air show of mid-1909 to muddy the waters further. GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As long as this article says that it was established in 1909, I don't see how it can be the oldest airshow. It clearly started after the exhibition in Frankfurt. — Julian H.^✈(talk) 17:31, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added two citations to Paris' claim. Claiming the Berlin Air Show to be a successor of the Frankfurt exhibition is odd. The cities are over 400 km apart (about the same as Farnborough to Paris), in different laenders, and notorious economic rivals.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Updated and tidied up the first section

Main point was to put in this year's show dates and explain the event format more clearly. It is a private trade event followed by a public festival. Newer figures for visitor numbers at the 2011 show are available, which I promoted to the top of the piece as they show the scale of the show. This is better evidence for the importance of Paris than mere claims in the text, so I toned down some of the hyperbole in the opening section.

Istobe (talk) 07:29, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see more history on the Pair Air Show on this web page.

I'd like to see more history on the Pair Air Show on this web page. I was talking with a business acquaintance today (who is located in Europe), and he said the Paris Air Show used to last for a full two weeks in the 1980s. He said there was a certain amount of time that professionals would be at their booths to transact business with other business people and then there was another time period allotted for the public to attend.

I also found an unofficial Paris Air Show website with some of their old posters. A poster shows the dates of the first Paris Air Show from the 25th of September through the 17th of October in 1909 (that's one month and 2 days!) [2]. I believe the 1924 air show poster lists the dates from 5-25 December (about three weeks) [3]. And the 1938 Paris Air Show poster shows it took place from the 25th of November through the 11th of December (about 3 weeks)! [4].

Then I found a poster from the same above website [5] for 1987 Paris Air Show that says the show took place from the 12th of June through 21st of June (10 days).

I wonder if anyone would update this webpage with the exact dates of each air show and also have a sample of their posters from years back. I think this would be a good project for the official Paris Air Show. I already visited the official Paris Air Show website [6] today and unfortunately, I could not find a history section about their airshow. Mikewest (talk) 19:21, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the stumbling block is that word unofficial. There is most likely a wealth of information in the Flight International online archive ([7]), but it isn't the most user-friendly thing in the world in which to find something - it actually works better if you are trying to find something obscure. YSSYguy (talk) 20:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information about Flight International's online archive. Mikewest (talk) 22:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, the Paris, Farnborough, and Berlin air shows are actually trade fairs and are only open to the public on specific days, the rest of the event they are 'trade only' and only attend-able by invitation. Usually the public days are over the weekend of the event and this is when the main air displays are flown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.11.196 (talk) 09:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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how can the 2005 air show be the oldest ever? I have heard of air shows before that!

Don't be obtuse!! The longest running annual / bi-annual airshow, since 1909!!.--Petebutt (talk) 05:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Anobium625: Hello, thanks for your additions on the Airshow history! Consider using as sources aviation specialists Flight International and Aviation Week archives as they are inline and immediately accessible. While refs behind WP:PAYWALLs are acceptable, using a publicly accessible ref facilitates WP:Verifiability and allow the reader to go further in a more detailed coverage. Cheers, --Marc Lacoste (talk) 06:25, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marc Lacoste: Thank you for the good advice. The articles that I quote from smaller newspapers are available by clicking on the citation, but they don't carry the authority of the New York Times. I am not an aeronautical expert, so I appreciate the articles in newspapers from cities where there are aerospace companies or NASA facilities. Having identified key exhibits, I will use them to search Flight International and Aviation Week. I do plan to continue adding short summaries for the missing years. Merci. Anobium625 (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both had le Bourget (and Farnborough) coverage, eg Flight in 1969, no need to search specific features. Thanks again for you work!--Marc Lacoste (talk) 16:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marc Lacoste: I have added short summaries of shows up to 2003. The Flight International archives end in 2004, so I can only continue by using newspaper sources, unless you have another archive to suggest. In more recent years there has been more air show emphasis in Flight International on contracts and less on innovative aircraft, but I think the general public and Wikipedia are more interested in the latter. Anobium625 (talk) 01:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Anobium625: Nice work! Flight's magazine pdf archives ends in 2004 but the website is freely accessible with all the content (they had a bug for many illustrations but whatever - there is an url manipulation to see them if needed). There is many other free industry references with free content available since then, like Aviationweek, AIN online, Flying mag, and so on.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 05:44, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Anobium625 (talk) 14:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Marc Lacoste: Unless my previous edits require attention, this will complete my efforts with the Paris Air Show.