Talk:Panorama Tower

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references

north: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=building&lng=3&id=bankatlantic-miami-fl-usa 19

south: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=building&lng=3&id=bankatlantic-miami-fl-usa 11 skyscraper=demolition of the shorter one

skyscraper: http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=building&lng=3&id=243445 approved 74/254.78 m

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/print-edition/2012/11/30/1101-brickell-has-landed-more-than-50.html?page=all 2012 US$50 leases gives sq footage.

Article restructuring

After an editor with a COI blanked the page, I've done a little digging. exMiami looks to have the most up-to-date info on the project [1]: 830 feet high (lowered due to FAA requirement), 821 residential units and 128 hotel units. Architecture work will be done in-house by Florida East Coast Realty (Moshe Cosicher is the project architect). —C.Fred (talk) 00:23, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite is done. —C.Fred (talk) 00:45, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Subject: Wikipedia corrections

Attached you will find the tale of the two projects In the History portion of the article should illustrate Kobi Karp design (circa 2005-2011) On the front of the article the merit should be given solely to Moshe Cosicher illustrating his design circa (2012 to present) being the Panorama Tower under construction Mr Karp has not been involved in this project since 2011 as he was substituted as Hollo architect for the project. If Mr Karp design would have been used he could claim to be the design architect but his design was scraped in 2012 as Mr Hollo asked Mr Cosicher to start from scratch In summary Mr Karp has no claim to the present design of Panorama Please let the media set the record straight Thank you Moshe Cosicher AIA Architect Moshecosicher (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DeSimone issue

DeSimone seems to be the previous structural engineering firm, for the data they give for the building matches the original proposal from 2007, which was for an entirely different developer. See here:

http://www.de-simone.com/english/projects/residential/1101brickell.html

Tutor Perini has this project listed right on their (more likely to be up to date) first page:

B137 (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tutor Perini is also listed as the builder per a June 2014 article in the San Fernando Valley Business Journal.[2] It's not quite a Miami newspaper (the business journal may be working off press releases), but it's at least not directly from a company's website. —C.Fred (talk) 21:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. Tutor-Perini seems to be strictly an aggregate of construction companies, DeSimone may very well still be the engineer, they just haven't updated their website and none of the recent articles mentioned them. Also to note the figures given on the press release this year for Perini seem to use some outdated numbers such as the parking garage being only 13 floors. Conversely they give the highest hotel number I have seen, 250. However, the figure of 2,600,000 square feet (241,548 m²) of area given only matches the most recent, largest design publicized. B137 (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Iffy refs

Good information but an anonymous and occasionally outwardly biased site.

http://www.exmiami.org/index.php/sheet-pile-work-begins-at-tibor-hollos-822-foot-panorama-tower/

"...began driving sheet piles at the site yesterday.

A 12-hour window between 8 AM to 8 PM is designated for sheet pile work, which causes vibration and is a nuisance to neighbors. The schedule was chosen after consulting with residential buildings in the area.

Auger-cast pile installation will continue for another month, with work starting at 5:30 AM and ending at 8:30 PM."

http://www.exmiami.org/index.php/developer-of-miamis-tallest-building-taking-steps-to-reduce-construction-noise/

Noise reduction efforts, site did garner complaints.

http://www.exmiami.org/index.php/tibor-hollo-calls-in-1000-foot-cranes-to-build-panorama-tower/

"...installing a crane at the site will rise to a height of 1,047 feet (or 1,052 above mean sea level). A second 1,016 foot crane will provide high mast illumination, while a third 385-foot crane will also be installed at the site."

Crane heights specific due to FAA restrictions

http://www.exmiami.org/index.php/hollo-hits-accelerator-panorama-tower/

"Crews working on piling installation at the site will soon begin 24-hour shifts, an increase from the current 16-hour work day."

B137 (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bust refs:

Minor details for comprehension

Qualitatively, I can tell you this address has the only post office in Brickell; while no source I could find will directly state this, it can be deduced using the post office finder. Regardless, I'm not sure how significant this is for a small neighborhood that does not even seem to be its own CDP, and when Downtown has a few post offices. A picture would illustrate the TD Bank cube, the FIU naming rights, as well as possibly the post office sign if taken from the correct angle at the right time. B137 (talk) 03:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

U/C refs

Community Newspapers ^[1]

Miami Today

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2015/01/21/83-story-tower-coming-ground/

"plan to go back to get the 19 feet back.”

“It’s actually a little bit ahead of schedule" The company anticipates completion around the third quarter of 2017, he said. “That keeps us three months ahead of the schedule

B137 (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BizJournals

more eb-5

Why this EB-5 investor is putting his money on Miami's Panorama Tower http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2015/02/02/why-this-eb-5-investor-is-putting-his-money-on.html

B137 (talk) 20:18, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

architecture

Zyscovich Architects tapped for Panorama Tower design

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/blog/morning-edition/2015/02/zyscovich-architects-tapped-for-panorama-tower.html

B137 (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FIU

Spectacular art donation enhances FIU Downtown on Brickell

http://news.fiu.edu/2015/02/spectacular-art-donation-enhances-fiu-downtown-on-brickell/84556

B137 (talk) 00:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WPLG-TV

video

http://www.local10.com/news/excitement-builds-for-paramount-miami-worldcenter/31263532

Subject: Wikipedia corrections

Attached you will find the tale of the two projects In the History portion of the article should illustrate Kobi Karp design (circa 2005-2011) On the front of the article the merit should be given solely to Moshe Cosicher illustrating his design circa (2012 to present) being the Panorama Tower under construction Mr Karp has not been involved in this project since 2011 as he was substituted as Hollo architect for the project. If Mr Karp design would have been used he could claim to be the design architect but his design was scraped in 2012 as Mr Hollo asked Mr Cosicher to start from scratch In summary Mr Karp has no claim to the present design of Panorama Please let the media set the record straight Thank you Moshe Cosicher AIA Architect Moshecosicher (talk) 20:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Langston, Angel (April 14, 2015). "State's largest single foundation pour at Brickell Panorama Tower". Miami Community Newspapers. Retrieved April 15, 2015.

To do

Reminder that since I was aiming for an eventual GA certification, the height was changed to the new 868 right in the lead after it states "in 2013", even though that is a 2016 update from the 822/830. B137 (talk) 10:07, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was a crappy Russian translation addition to the article to change the height outside of the existing chronology. This is just like when people update figures but leave the outdated ref. This can be a problem. 01:56, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Subject: Wikipedia corrections

Attached you will find the tale of the two projects In the History portion of the article should illustrate Kobi Karp design (circa 2005-2011) On the front of the article the merit should be given solely to Moshe Cosicher illustrating his design circa (2012 to present) being the Panorama Tower under construction Mr Karp has not been involved in this project since 2011 as he was substituted as Hollo architect for the project. If Mr Karp design would have been used he could claim to be the design architect but his design was scraped in 2012 as Mr Hollo asked Mr Cosicher to start from scratch In summary Mr Karp has no claim to the present design of Panorama Please let the media set the record straight Thank you Moshe Cosicher AIA Architect Moshecosicher (talk) 20:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

False reporting

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Subject: Wikipedia corrections

Attached you will find the tale of the two projects In the History portion of the article should illustrate Kobi Karp design (circa 2005-2011) On the front of the article the merit should be given solely to Moshe Cosicher illustrating his design circa (2012 to present) being the Panorama Tower under construction Mr Karp has not been involved in this project since 2011 as he was substituted as Hollo architect for the project. If Mr Karp design would have been used he could claim to be the design architect but his design was scraped in 2012 as Mr Hollo asked Mr Cosicher to start from scratch In summary Mr Karp has no claim to the present design of Panorama Please let the media set the record straight Thank you Moshe Cosicher AIA Architect

Sent from my iPhone Moshecosicher (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

False reporting

Subject: Wikipedia corrections

Attached you will find the tale of the two projects In the History portion of the article should illustrate Kobi Karp design (circa 2005-2011) On the front of the article the merit should be given solely to Moshe Cosicher illustrating his design circa (2012 to present) being the Panorama Tower under construction Mr Karp has not been involved in this project since 2011 as he was substituted as Hollo architect for the project. If Mr Karp design would have been used he could claim to be the design architect but his design was scraped in 2012 as Mr Hollo asked Mr Cosicher to start from scratch In summary Mr Karp has no claim to the present design of Panorama Please let the media set the record straight Thank you Moshe Cosicher AIA Architect Moshecosicher (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[MCNpour-1] Langston, Angel (April 14, 2015). "State's largest single foundation pour at Brickell Panorama Tower". Miami Community Newspapers. Retrieved April 15, 2015.

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