Talk:Pannonian Steppe

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Merge Puszta to Pannonian steppe

Puszta is Hungarian name for steppe with official name Pannonian (Pannonic) steppe. Its not only in Hungary (but probably more than 90% of steppe is there, and in Hungary is known as Puszta) and Burgenland but also in Slovakia and Serbia. Main biom is Pannonian steppe and some special kinds of Pannonian steppes are called Puszta, for example Hortobagy puszta or Grassy saline pusta [1]. It exist scholar publications which call this steppe Pannonic or Pannonian: [2], [3], [4], [5]. Here you can see[6] some pictures of Pannonian steppe in south Slovakia with name Čenkovská step (steppe), in the picture its table written in Slovak and Hungarian and word Puszta means Steppe. So we have article about Hungarian word Steppe, according to [WP:EN] article should be renamed to English name. Term Puszta is vague and it can be used figuratively for a 1) traditional Hungarian landscape, 2) for Hortobagy puszta and next meanings can be: 3) just a Steppe in Hungarian and 4) grasslands in Hungary 5) not scholar name for Pannonian steppe. --Samofi (talk) 07:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am a bit unsure about the proper name of this term (Pannonian steppe, Pannonic steppe, Pannon region etc..), however those pages will have to be merged if this expression "Pannonian steppe" is entirely synonym with Puszta. If not, we have to leave them separately.Fakirbakir (talk) 23:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

However Puszta has 3.340.000 hits[7], but "Pannonian steppe" has only 1930 [8] Fakirbakir (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Fakirbakir, discussion continues here: Talk:Puszta. Puszta is term from Hungarian language so its normal that its more hits for it. For example I am from region of Male Karpaty - Little Carpahians. In google its 711 000 hits about "Male Karpaty" and 26 000 hits about "Little Carpathians". 98% of Male Karpaty range is in Slovakia and 2% in Austria. I was able to accept English term Little Carpathians. Dont forget that this is an English Wikipedia. Look on the pictures from article Pannonian steppe - Čenkovská step (Čenkovská steppe); its translated as CsenkaPUSZTA to Hungarian . Its same biom like Hortobagy in Hungary or Seewinkel in Austria. Same species of grass and flora: Ephedra distachya, Festuca vaginata, Stipa borysthenica, Junipero-Populetum albae. If you wanna special article about Puszta I will not make a problems, but I thought that it would be better to make a one neutral article covering steppe of Pannonian basin. In new article I did not change Hungarian name puszta in the context of Pannonian basin in Hungary, I have nothing against this term so please stop to offend me like you did at your talkpage. But its a same biom, only in Hungary called a Puszta (its true that about 95% is in Hungary). Pannonic steppe and Pannonian steppe is used as synonym in the lot of articles. Pannon region is almost always used as a bigger region: Carpatho-pannon, Pontic-pannon or Dinaric-pannon region. --Samofi (talk) 08:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Puszta into Pannonian Steppe

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To not merge, given uncontested objections and no support; no support for alternative proposals. Klbrain (talk) 11:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Existing article on same subject MB 18:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – the puszta is a significant traditional and cultural heritage of Hungary as well as a biome. Actually it looks as if this page would be a good candidate for a merge/redirect to that title. Google Scholar hits for "puszta" Hungary are about 14,200; for "Pannonian steppe" Hungary they are about 150. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Not being an expert, it's not clear to me what the difference is. Is "Puszta" only in modern-day Hungary? The Great Hungarian Plain plain article includes a number of the countries. Is they're essentially the same, the issue than becomes what's the best name. Other languages do have Puszta articles, eg de:Puszta. Nigej (talk) 14:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nigej, the puszta is both a cultural symbol of Hungarian identity and a biome or landscape of alkaline grasslands. It formerly extended over much of the Great Hungarian Plain, but is now much reduced – it seems that the principal remaining portion is that in the Hortobágy National Park, which I believe is of the order of 1% of its former extent. Whether the Pannonian Steppe and Great Hungarian Plain pages could usefully be merged I don't know.

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