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Merge proposal

I propose to merge Pandoh Dam, Beas Satluj Link Project, Dehar Power Plant, and Pandoh Lake into single article. It would create a more comprehensive article and avoid the current overlapping which exists among these articles. Beagel (talk) 06:28, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I support the proposal. The lake article is short and can easily be pasted into a section or just redirected as it regurgitates much of what is in the dam article already. The BSL article is essentially a re-hashing of the dam article. If it covered another power station, I could see it being standalone but it does not.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:53, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is a good idea to merge, but they need to be all merged under Beas Satluj Link Project and not Pandoh dam. Beas Satluj link (BSL) was the name of the project and includes seven major components and Pandoh dam is just one of the components. The seven components are labeled in the figure that I added in Beas Satluj Link Project Article

Pandoh Dam is the center-piece of the project and should be the central article. The BSL article now is very similar to other dam articles. Using Kölnbrein Dam as an example, the dam is part of the Malta-Reisseck power plant group but the group is detailed under the dam article as the Kolbrein Dam is the center-piece.--NortyNort (Holla) 17:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I have first hand knowledge on this project as was there during the time of Construction. The project was built by Bhakra Beas Management Board, Government of India. Please refer to official web site http://bbmb.gov.in/english/history_bsl_development.asp#page1. All the official documents for this project are under Beas Satluj Link and not Pandoh dam. Moreover, Pandoh dam is a small diversion dam The following excerpt from http://hoshiarpur.nic.in/bbmb.htm is The work on the Beas Project was started to harness Beas water, comprising two units namely Beas Unit-1 which is the Beas Satluj Link Project and Beas Unit-II i.e. Beas Dam Project. The Beas Satluj Link Project was completed in 1977 which diverts 3.82 million acre feet (4716 million m) of Beas Water to River Satluj through 37.26 Km long water conductor system consisting of two tunnels of 13.11 Km and 12.35 Km length and one open channel of 11.80 Km in between balancing reservoir. The seven components of the Beas Satluj Link Project for diversion of 9000 cuses of water and power generation as shown on the figures are[1]

Pandoh dam - 76.25 m (250 ft) earthen dam Pandoh Baggi Tunnel - 7.62 m dia, 13.11 km long Sundernagar Hydel Channel - 11.8 km long open channel Sundarnagar Dehar Tunnel - 8.53 m dia, 12.53 km long Surge Shaft - 22.86 m dia x 125 m high Penstocks - Three 4.877 m split to six 3.353 m Dehar Power House - 6 x 165 MW

There is no Power Station at Pandoh dam. The power station listed is at Dehar. Please DELETE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xkd2626 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can discuss the exact title after merger is completed. As for the Dehar, I added the name and coordinates to the infobox, so there is no confusion. Beagel (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the Government of India website and it is now officially listed as "Dehar Hydroelectric Project". Please see http://india-wris.nrsc.gov.in/wrpinfo/index.php?title=Hydro_Electric_Projects_in_Indus_Basin http://india-wris.nrsc.gov.in/wrpinfo/index.php?title=Dehar_Hydroelectric_Project_JH00196. We should go ahead and merge but use the official terminology. Also, official names of all other projects are listed. There is also a issue on the spelling used in wikipedia for the river: Satluj vs Sutlej. The Government India website spells as Satluj

This would be my suggestion on the merged article

TITLE - Dehar Hydroelectric Project

HISTORY This project first proposed as Beas project Unit I and presented in a 1957 report of Punjab Irrigation. After some revisions, the project was approved for construction in 1963. Due to reorganization of states in 1966, the construction of the project was vested to the Government of India on behalf of the vested states. The project was built as Beas Satluj Link Project and commissioned in 1977. The project is now called Dehar Hydroelectric project.

Citations 1. http://bbmb.gov.in/english/history_bsl_development.asp#page1 2. http://india-wris.nrsc.gov.in/wrpinfo/index.php?title=Dehar_Hydroelectric_Project_JH00196

previous comment by xkd2626

I wouldn't call a 76 meter tall dam a "small diversion dam" but could see the article being renamed after the power station after a merge.--NortyNort (Holla) 14:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is perfect. Please proceed with Merge under "Dehar HydroElectric Project" and I will help clean up. xkd2626

I suggest that at the moment we merge everything to the current article (Pandoh Dam) which has the longest history and has been in the best shape (including references) and after completing the merger we will move the article to whatever title s agreed. Just from practical point of view (also for preserving the longest edit history). Beagel (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I made the merge, but the article still needs some cleaning-up. I also opened a separate discussion about the article's title. Beagel (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for merging.--NortyNort (Holla) 18:28, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 January 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to rename. Thanks for the responses, I should have read the above section first. Doesn't seem anyone is super keen for a rename so it will stay here for the time being. No prejudice against a new RM if anyone feels strongly about renaming at some point in the future. Jenks24 (talk) 09:07, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pandoh Dam → Dehar Hydroelectric Project – Per merge discussion above Beagel (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 07:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't have strong preferences concerning the title. However, I am a little bit reluctant about using the word 'project' which usually refers to things still to be complete. Maybe we could use Dehar Hydroelectric Scheme instead? Beagel (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know we generally avoid "project" as it is a term used during the development and construction. "Plant" is somewhat common in Pakistan. The Beas board calls it "Dehar Power House".--NortyNort (Holla) 18:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Beagel and NortyNort: Seems like it's out of Dehar Hydroelectric Scheme and Dehar Power House. Any preferences? I'd hate for this to end as "no consensus" when there seems to be clear agreement it should be renamed to something. Jenks24 (talk) 12:50, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not big on the options but "Dehar Power House" has the most Google search returns of them all (~4,200). However, "Pandoh Dam" has ~293,000. I don't feel strongly about a name change, to be very honest.--NortyNort (Holla) 18:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the initiator of the renaming was Xkd2626 (talk · contribs) (see the discussion above of this section). As I said, I don't have strong preferences. I prefer Dehar Hydroelectric Scheme but this is generic title and not the common name. I have no objections also for Dehar Power House and the current name Pandoh Dam. It would be nice to have more opinions but so far the discussion had a rather limited number of participants. Beagel (talk) 20:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.