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Requested move 6 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 01:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Collections of the Palace Museum → Palace Museum – now palace museum redirects to forbidden city which focus on the building structure, while the palace museum itself is its own subject and deserve mentioning of its exhibition and the cultural preservation work of the staff instead of just its collection Viztor (talk) 20:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 May 2019

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No consensus to move at this time, after extended time for discussion. bd2412 T 03:05, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Palace Museum → Palace Museum (Beijing) – No WP:PTOPIC between the different museums listed on Palace museum; particularly, Taiwan's National Palace Museum is a strong contender as a PTOPIC. The previous RM (which I closed as move) did not consider the issue of disambiguation. feminist (talk) 16:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. qedk (t 桜 c) 19:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. No clear primary topic here. There are many palace museums in the world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:11, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Isn't naming this article 'Palace Museum', and using 'Palace museum' for the broad-concept article an acceptable form of WP:DIFFCAPS disambiguation? This place's official name is just "The Palace Museum". That's not true of Taiwan's National Palace Museum. Colin M (talk) 22:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Previous practice have established "Palace Museum" -> the museum in Beijing, and "Palace museum" to disambiguation of museums that are former palace. I see no new arguments supporting the change. Interestingly enough, the present location of National Palace Museum is not a former palace, but rather, named so because it formerly occupies the site of present day Palace Museum. Therefore, due to this historical succession, it should be enough to list it as an inline disambiguation in this article. Viztor (talk) 12:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. No clear primary topic here; there are far too many at Palace museum, the disam page, and many more palaces with museums that aren't yet there. Since none have primary native English-language names, but are translations of the real local name, the potential for ambiguity is greatly increased by variable translations etc. I've just added the very important Topkapı Palace Museum there, and there are plenty more. Johnbod (talk) 13:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is the only place of this kind that actually uses the title of Palace Museum officially as it is. There is no other such institution that officially uses the name of just Palace Museum. Balthazarduju (talk) 08:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • See WP:OFFICIALNAME, if other palace museums are also commonly known as just Palace Museum ambiguity remains. feminist (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ambiguity itself is not enough, otherwise we would not have America redirected to the United States, and with it thousands other redirects. Viztor (talk) 20:15, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • America is a case of WP:PTOPIC. As I explained I doubt the museum in Beijing is the PTOPIC for "Palace Museum" considering the existence of other palace museums. feminist (talk) 03:06, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • Like I said, simple existence of other entities of somewhat similar names does not guarantee the name to be a disambig, and like other user have said, the similar function can be achieved by the lower case Palace museum. I simply see no valuable contest of the changing this convention which has been long established. Viztor (talk) 04:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • The National Palace Museum may be a valid contender of the primary topic, but even the curator of that museum would agree that the museum is named so because of the Forbidden Palace, National Palace Museum is actually a spin off result from the civil war, whose present location is NOT a former palace. In this case, the purpose of diambig can be well achieved through inline diambig instead of a page move. Viztor (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - this seems a good form of WP:DIFFCAPS - Palace museum sweeps up the entities which may be colloquially or informally known as the "palace museum", while this title-case variant describes the only entity officially known as the "Palace Museum".  — Amakuru (talk) 22:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Difference between the Palace Museum and the Forbidden City

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Dear Viztor, It's a nice article. I seem to remember something like this in the article on the collections of the Forbidden City. What is the difference between the Forbidden City and the Palace Museum? SiefkinDR (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SiefkinDR: The Forbidden City is the building itself, the Palace Museum manages the building and take care of the collections, which includes taking care of large underground storage facilities for the artifacts, taking in new acquisitions, holding seminars etc. Viztor (talk) 16:38, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that there was more than one building. Do you mean that the collections are the Palace Museum, while the buildings are the Forbidden City? Isn't the picture of the Palace Museum the same picture in the article on the Forbidden City?

SiefkinDR (talk) 17:37, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In part yes, The Palace Museum takes care of majority of the former palace, left to it is the state council(zhongnanhai), in front of it is the Tiananmen square. Its primary function is to preserve history and culture. Viztor (talk) 17:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)::[reply]
But how is it different than the Forbidden City? And what are the sources that say it's the most visited museum? It has to be a source other than your own research and your own opinion.

SiefkinDR (talk) 19:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Number of visitors in 2018

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Dear Viztor,

Do you have any other citation, besides the China Daily, that says that the Foridden City/Palace Museum was the most visited museum in the world? There are citations from other publications that say it wasn't. As you know, the article has to be neutral, not just present one point of view. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your comment is accurate. @SiefkinDR:. These publications do not include the Palace Museum at all. that's correct. However, omission is one thing, opposition is another. They did not say it is not, they just did not say anything about it. Viztor (talk) 15:14, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]


If the two major sources for the article say that the Louvre was number one, that means that they don't consider that the Forbidden City is in the same category. That's saying something pretty clearly, I think. Codially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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