Talk:Ouk-Khmer (Hill's version)

Image concerns

Can the image be replaced with one that isn't a mirror image? The backwards letters and numbers are jarring.Naraht (talk) 14:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I would flip it, but there seem to be enough decent pictures of actual ouk sets out there that I'm holding off; I've put a CC-BY-SA request on the most recently taken flickr pic, but I'm not optimistic about that. I'm continuing to poke around online though, and will likely get an authentic pic soon. Cheers! ☻☻☻Sithman VIII !!☻☻☻ 02:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Possible Link/Different Name

On Chess Variants, the Cambodian chess is called Ouk Chatrang. If this is the same thing, this should be linked.Naraht (talk) 14:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I assume they are the same; For now, I've redirected it.☻☻☻Sithman VIII !!☻☻☻ 08:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

"Ouk chatrang" redirect here. It is not right. "Ouk chatrang" is a variant of Makruk. The game described here is not Cambodian chess. --Little bishop (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

8x8 or 9x9

The version of Khmer Ouk on Sourceforge is an 8x8, not a 9x9.Naraht (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC) I fully agree. This page is wrong.Cazaux (talk) 15:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Pages that should be used as guides

I think that the pages for the other "Eastern National"/traditional variants of chess should be used as a model including Xiangqi, chaturanga,shogi, Indian chess and janggi.Naraht (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Good ref

I'll add this one in soon, it's great: http://history.chess.free.fr/cambodian.htm

Automatic generation of board games

Hi all. Sithman asked a question at the help desk (permalink - do not edit) about the admissibility as a reference of this Masters thesis, by Kim Tang, and about how to format it. Since I've not seen any further response from him at the help desk, I've gone ahead and added the formatting for the link we worked out there. Also, please note that while a Master's thesis ( as opposed to a Ph.D. thesis ) is not automatically admissible as a reliable source, per policy, the consensus at the help desk was that it would be fine, in this case. The ref could use a page number, however; there's currently an unpopulated field in the cite web template for that purpose; please add a note here if you insert the correct page number. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Confusing genuine Khmer chess and a mysterious fake

Ok or Ouk Chatrang is Khmer or Cambodian Chess, Chess played in Cambodia. It is almost completely similar to Makruk, Thai or Siamese Chess, Chess played in Thailand (old name was Siam). Khmer Chess is played over the squares of a 8x8 board.

The only difference between Khmer and Thai Chess are: In Cambodia, the King is allowed to make a Knight jump at his first move. This special move is no more used in Thailand. In Cambodia only, the Queen can jump at the 2nd case straight ahead (e1-e3) at her first move.

It is the true form of Cambodian Chess: the form given by Pritchard (Encyclopedia of Chess Variant, 1st edition) is, most probably, an invention. See the dedicated page to this strange Cambodian Chess: http://history.chess.free.fr/cambodian_hill.htm. D.B.Pritchard presented the rules of a "Cambodian Chess" game having unknown origins and displaying elements at the crossing of Western Chess (like Indian Chess and Thai Makruk) and Oriental Chess like Xiangqi. It was played over the intersections of a 9x9 board. The source was a certain P.A.Hill.

Many Chess researchers have desesperatly tried to find clues about this mysterious game. Personally, I never met any Cambodian people knowing this strange hybrid. If this Chess game existed, it was probably a variant invented by some particuliar. It does not seem to be a national variant at all. Cazaux (talk) 16:13, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I have rewritten the article to reflect the fact that the game described is quite different from actual Cambodian chess. Perhaps the name of the article should be changed as well, as I don't know if "Khmer ouk" is an authentic name for this game. I also deleted two paragraphs from the original article. The first one concerned the variant Ka Ok, as this appears to be a variant of true Cambodian chess rather than Hill's game. The reference was the Khmer Institute website, which actually describes true Cambodian chess anyway. I also deleted the paragraph about the first Khmer Ouk tournament, as the reference provided gave no evidence that Hill's game was the variant played. These two paragraphs should probably be incorporated into the makruk article as Cambodian chess is so similar. --Smcg8374 (talk) 10:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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