Talk:Osho (disambiguation)

Translation

Hello friends. I've been a professional translator for the past 23 years or so and got a good laugh from reading the following in this "article":

"Osho is a term originally derived from The Japanese Zen tradition. In the Zen context, osho means the friend. Other meanings are Oceanic."

This is completely and totally erroneous. 'Osho' (和尚) is _not_ "derived" from Japanese Zen. Zen came to Japan from China via Korea, just like most other Buddhist influence. And like most Kanji-based Buddhist terminology, it retains its original Chinese meaning. It is not unique to Zen, by any means, but is used (though slightly differently and pronounced slighly differently) in various Buddhist sects. The Pinyin pronounciation is 'he shang' (rising-neutral tones) ) which simply means high-ranking Buddhist monk, or highly virtuous Buddhist monk, or simply the head priest of a temple or monastery, or simply Buddhist monk in general—meaning can be a respectful reference to any Buddhist monk.

'Osho' does _not_ mean "friend" or "Oceanic" or anything remotely similar thereto.

For those who read Japanese, here's the entry from the Kojien dictionary:

(梵語upadhyayaの俗語形の音写。師の意) ＃〔仏〕(特に禅宗でいう。天台宗ではカショウ、律宗・真言宗・真宗等ではワジョウともよむ) ＃師僧。高僧。和上。「一休―」＃法眼ほうげん。＃寺の住職。また一般に、僧侶。坊主。「お寺の―さん」＃武術・芸道などの師範。宗匠。(興福寺宝蔵院の僧侶が槍術を教えたことに始まる) ＃上席の遊女の称。そぞろ物語「此の女郎衆の外に、―様と名付け、容色無双の美人達おはしますが」 [株式会社岩波書店広辞苑第五版]

And the entry from Kenkyusha:

1 〔高僧〕 a (senior) Buddhist priest. 2 〔寺の住職〕 a Buddhist priest (in charge of a temple). [株式会社研究社　新和英大辞典第５版]

--Gunnermanz 09:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

probably shouldn't be a dab

I've just disambiguated 43 incoming links to this page. All of them were referring to Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh), except for one which was a "See also" link to the dab. This may be an indication that Osho should point directly to that article, with a hatnote pointing to Osho (disambiguation). Nick Number (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done--Semitransgenic (talk) 23:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Nick Number (talk) 05:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cut-n-paste move has been undone. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

definitely shouldn't be a redirect

Let's take a moment to discuss what should happen with this page. The present solution, of having Osho redirect to Osho (disambiguation) is the reverse of the usual dab behavior.

The way I see it, there are three better options:

Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) is the primary topic. Move it here to Osho. Place the Osho entry at the top of Osho (disambiguation).
Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) is the primary topic. Make Osho a redirect to it. Place its entry at the top of Osho (disambiguation).
Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) is not the primary topic. Move Osho (disambiguation) here to Osho.

Personally, after thinking about it, I favor Option 1. The incoming links I found while disambiguating suggest that it is the primary topic, and "Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh)" is a cumbersome article title. I hope we can find consensus on this. Nick Number (talk) 14:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~:Support option number one.~~ Semitransgenic _talk. 14:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support #1. FYI it's hilarious that 10 hrs ago Semitransgenic insisted against what he's now supporting. #2 is against WP. Per WP:TITLE, titles should have the following characteristics: Conciseness & Precision. Osho must be an article, not a redirect. So the debate needs to be between Osho being for the mystic or the disambig page. I'd never heard of the mystic and came to Osho looking for something else, but every Google search result on the first page is for the mystic. That, combined which your review of incoming links makes it pretty clear that he should be the primary topic. --TheTruthiness (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@TheTruthiness not sure how you are discerning that I insisted anything, i chose what seemed to be the least contentious option at the time: you made a change based on your ignorance of the subject matter, i made one based on reducing the possibility of conflict (over an article that has been viewed as controversial by some). Semitransgenic _talk. 11:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"it should in actuality redirect to Osho (disambiguation)"- You in the Osho edit summary, undoing my edit AND changing what it redir'd to (not just undoing my edit, but actively changing the redir). Based on WP my edit shouldn't be controversial...that would be your ignorance as having the mystic be under Osho meets all 5 principles of WP:TITLE. Every single person so far agreeing with it further proves that point. Editing to the point of least offence also is the opposite of WP. --TheTruthiness (talk) 21:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, given the lack of dissenting opinions here, I'm going to propose the move of Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) to Osho. It appears there has been some controversy about moving it in the past, but hopefully this solution will be more agreeable. Nick Number (talk) 16:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No opinion on the change of primary topic, but if that move is carried out, the disambiguation page should be moved to Osho (disambiguation) rather than just having its text copied-n-pasted there. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is some opposition to the move at Talk:Osho. People may want to join the discussion there. Nick Number (talk) 13:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

undoing another cut-and-paste move

TheTruthiness, I am undoing this edit. The guideline you cited in your edit summary, MOS:DAB, does not support your action. From the section on linking to a primary topic: "When the ambiguous term has a primary topic but that article has a different title (so that the term is the title of a redirect), the primary topic line normally uses the redirect to link to that article". It then gives the examples of linking to cosmonaut, which redirects to astronaut, and of linking directly to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, which is the redirect target.

This guideline is directly applicable to this situation, and there are many precedents. It is not usual behavior for [title] to redirect to [title] (disambiguation). Nick Number (talk) 13:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Correction - I shouldn't have characterized this as a cut-and-paste move. It was re-pointing a redirect and modifying the primary topic on the dab. Nick Number (talk) 13:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Oshō

I see. Bhagwan has not been my prime interest since I was at school. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 05:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for the abruptness of my revert at Osho. It looks like you've done a good job of incorporating the information into Oshō. Nick Number (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I was aware it might be a critical page, so I understand. ō is quite subtile, if you never use it :) Joshua Jonathan (talk) 13:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bodhidharma

who is osho

Zen is start here in India first by bodhidharma

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayan saud (talk • contribs) 6:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)