Talk:Onision

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017

I want to put in facts about Onision. I am a big fan. 50.235.142.58 (talk) 19:53, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.Stikkyy (talk) 20:47, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Don’t. Gregory James is a child predator. Unsubscribe to him. 2806:269:480:16B7:146:436C:F529:DB19 (talk) 05:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I would like to change 'Gregory' to Greg because he doesn't use the name Gregory ever. Pinof8 (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Gregory James Daniel is a kiddie diddler - full stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boozinf (talk • contribs) 07:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Request to "modify"

It should be noted that the article subject directly asked fans to "modify" Wiki. —ATS 🖖 talk 21:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I think it's worth pointing out that he implicitly gave permission for us to use a particular image of him. I'm no lawyer, but there's not a judge in the world who's going to watch him say "Also, make sure you use this picture all over the place," in the context of a call to edit WP and rule that he hadn't just given permission to WP to use that picture. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

If it's not a selfie or a work for hire, only the original photographer can give permission to use a speficic photograph where Onision is the subject. And "you may use this on Wikipedia" is not a free licence either. De728631 (talk) 00:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Ahhh, good point (the first one about the original photographer; I'm not convinced about the second point). Damn you for proving me wrong. ;) Oh well, I guess Onision doesn't get any image uploaded. His loss, really. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hm Pinof8 (talk) 17:01, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I would like to add to his biography as I am knowledgeable in his life story which is lacking on Wikipedia NykisMyName (talk) 16:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

. Defnotkai (talk) 22:22, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I would like to add some more things, including stuff in biography and controversy. Defnotkai (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

OK. I suggest creating a new section on this talk page which is your proposed additions, or if they are changes, list both the existing wording and your new wording. Each claim must be supported by a reliable source. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

BLP concerns

The "Controversies" section which has been reverted out of the article is poorly sourced and contains material which is highly contentious. Per WP:BLP, I'm not seeing the kinds of sourcing we would need to keep this. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:38, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the sources used for the material in question, the only sources that might be acceptable are those from Heat Street, which pass the WP:Reliable sources criteria. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

And if we do include material on this matter, it should not be in the same tone or level of detail that it was before. Pedophilia claims should also be kept out unless they are relevant because of Onision's responses. Pedophilia is a term known to be widely misused. On another note, Onision's YouTube responses on the matter can be included as primary sources (also see WP:BLPSELFPUB). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with both of these statements. The only source used in the pedophilia section was one whose editorial policy explictly describes the site as user generated content which is unsuitable as a source in general, let alone for such contentious BLP claims as these. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Nothing but a Fan Page

This is nothing more than a fan page at this time until it has been decided whether to take it down or not. At the very least, remove the external links to his site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurlim (talk • contribs) 18:19, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2017

While it is noted that Onision calls himself in a banana in his "I'm a Banana" song, he is not actually a banana and this is only satire as he couldn't make a song about being a banana if he was a banana. Aidanv77 (talk) 08:24, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 08:40, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2017

He also created the Banana Song (I'm A Banana),[4] which has amassed over 56 million views, and over 600,000 likes , but really he's not actuallya banana , literally a fraud who only pretends to be one . 76.236.233.191 (talk) 00:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2017

please change He also created the Banana Song (I'm A Banana),[4] which has amassed over 56 million views, and over 600,000 likes.[5] to . He also created the Banana Song (I'm A Banana),[4] which has amassed over 56 million views, and over 600,000 likes , but really he's not actuallya banana , literally a fraud who only pretends to be one .[5] 76.236.233.191 (talk) 00:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for these suggestions. However, the readers of this encyclopedia are already aware of these details, so this is not a necessary change. MPS1992 (talk) 00:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Multiple Issues Tag

I see multiple issues with this article, namely in terms of notability and sourcing. Keeping in mind Wikipedia's notability standards for living people, has the subject been widely cited as important to his field, or qualify under WP:CREATIVE or WP:ENT? He may be, but if he is it is not cited on the article in question. The second major point for the tag is that there is a severe lack of sourcing. The sources cited are either affiliated with the subject or are subjective and based on opinion from dubious sources. An Afd discussion may be in the works for this one.--SamHolt6 (talk) 20:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2017

N Not done and not likely to be done.Either this is trolling or the classic disease or an utter failure to comprehend the definition of encyclopedia.Change your venue and stop wasting everybody's time.Winged Blades Godric 12:31, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Social media : Twitter: https://twitter.com/onision Facebook :https://Facebook.com/onision Tumblr:http://onision.net Instagram : https://instagram.com/onision Patraeon :http://patreon.com/onision Books: "This is why i hate you" "Stones to Abbigale" Early life: The first acting role onision ever had in his school play where he was a villain who stole a baby elephant.At the age of 15, he went to juvienile after defending himself from his biological father from getting choked,Onision was a 7th day adventist till the age of 11, at wich point he asked his mom to stop taking him to church,he is now agnostic.onision Joined the US Air Force in april,2005He refused to kill a rabit in survival training and was cross-trained into being a cop,he volunteered for most every TDY/deployment he could until he was finally sent to north korea.He was later diagnosed with chronic depression while stationed at Osan AFB, He was honorably discharged October 2008.For over 8 years he dedicated his life to youtube DJ02 (talk) 19:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)  Not done No sources provided, and no reason to exhaustively list all social media pages. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC) And listing social medias weren't exhaustively at allDJ02 (talk) 19:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)\ The sources frequently cited on this article further the need for the multiple issues tag. Also, sent to North Korea?--SamHolt6 (talk) 20:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC) For the record, emailing me youtube links does not constitute the provision of reliable sources. You need to post them here (I'm not clicking on links in an email from a person I don't know, even if it came through wikipedia) and make a case for their reliability, as well as making a case for why the claims they support have due weight to be included in the article. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC) Source:--facebook link — Preceding :unsigned comment added by DJ02 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC) So When can we edit this on his Wikipedia page? DJ02 (talk) 08:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC) Are you seriously suggesting a Facebook post and a YouTube link are reliable sources? At best they are primary sources and not really useful to an encyclopedia. Kleuske (talk) 09:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC) Besides... Who is "we"? Kleuske (talk) 09:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC) opening the Facebook link takes you to the source so what's exactly the problem it needs to be a source and there's the source DJ02 (talk) 10:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC) Who is "we"?We is "us" who are waiting for the edit DJ02 (talk) 10:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC) Well... Based on the source(s) provided (a facebook post with a link to an Onision video talking about Onision, the very *definition* of a WP:PRIMARY source), don't hold your breath. As a matter of fact, a case has been made to delete the article based on a lack of notability per WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Kleuske (talk) 11:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC) Source: as he made a video about his life on youtube called facts about onision (my life story)-youtube link— Preceding comment added by DJ02 (talk • contribs) 11:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Dis-engage.Au revoir!Winged Blades Godric 14:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

This is not trolling and i am not wasting time because i also have my time not only you... time i am trying to add some FACTS about onision on this page what's the problem??! There are sources that can prove what i wrote about onision and i added them where is the "trolling " exactly ? DJ02 (talk) 12:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)DJ02 @DJ02:--See why primary sources are dis-allowed.If you still fail to get it, try to make your debut at any of the other 6,437,763 articles we have.Thanks!And it is the content of the proposed material that compels me to cast aspersions on you.Winged Blades Godric 13:08, 19 July 2017 (UTC) OK @Winged Blades Here is a secondary source an article that someone wrote about onision And sorry for wasting your time... DJ02 (talk) 13:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)DJ02 That fails WP:RS spectacularly!And I can assure you that all WP:RS gen. possess an iota of common-sense that abstains them from publishing such B.S. Winged Blades Godric 14:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC) There is a probability that you are a kid acting in ggod-faith.In that case, please leave this article and find some better place to spend your time on!Winged Blades Godric 14:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC) References

So now how can i fix this? DJ02 (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2017 (UTC)DJ0w

What do you mean by "fix"?--SamHolt6 (talk) 17:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

@ SamHolt6 what i meant what should i do so i would be able to edit this on his Wikipedia page and if i could do that in anyway DJ02 (talk) 17:07, 19 July 2017 (UTC)DJ02

The page has been protected due to vandalism. To edit the page you would need to reach Wikipedia:AUTOCONFIRM status.--SamHolt6 (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Whether to tag talk page with a "previous AfD" tag

MjolnirPants, regarding this, I do think that the tag should be there. Even poor AfD nominations should be noted. If the article is nominated again, the second nomination will be named accordingly and will point to the first nomination. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

If you want to say the AfD was closed procedurally, or that the AfD was deleted that's all fine with me. I don't care whether this article claims to have been subject to an AfD before, but saying it was a snow close is factually inaccurate, and doesn't belong here. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, as I pointed out: The nomination page was deleted, since it was nommed by a blocked sockmaster. It no longer exists. So there's no technical reason to need to go to the next nom if it gets AfD'd again. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Shit, nevermind. I was confusing this page for another youtuber page that got nommed by a sock and the AfD deleted. This was my mistake, apologies all around. I'm self reverting. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:27, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2018

Change Greg to Youtube-PunchingBag Vincent Fandomtrash (talk) 17:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 17:13, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2018

Onision falsely slandered Shane Dawson such as in "Responding To What Shane Dawson Said To Me" in his OnisionReacts channel. One of Onision's biggest controversies of the top grading YouTuber Shane Dawson according to Social Blade spread into the news such as The Huffington Post, In Touch Weekly, Billboard, and more. Onision has a consistent loss subscribers on YouTube according to Social Blade, losing hundreds of subscribers on Onision, UhOhBro,OnisionReacts, and more until recently when Onision made a new channel called "New Channel" which is the only channel of Gregory Jackson (Onision) that is gaining subscribers. In Onision's video "What Is My Name?" Onision responds to his biggest controversy with a new channel and name, "I have no other name but Character now. If anyone says I said something I will just say it is a character." WindOfTheLeaf (talk) 05:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

1. YouTube Link to video of accusation : ~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ4Gq00o66c~
2. Shane Dawson Social Blade (YouTube) : ~https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/shane~
3. List of News Articles ~https://www.google.com/search?q=shane+dawson+pedofile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab~
4. Social Blade of Onision's channel : ~SocialBlade.com/Onision , SocialBlade.com/UhOhBro , SocialBlade.com/OnisionReacts~
5. Onision's "New Channel" : ~https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UC95SUj5wAVYcgGpF2A4Hm9Q~
6. 2:55 "What's My Name?" : ~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcnAeLg27Tc~

Wikipedia is not about YouTube-drama. If you have independent reliable sources reporting on it, it would be a different matter. Kleuske (talk) 08:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Sorry, but your sources are not reliable. Until you find one, this request can not be done. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2019

Greg briefly dated singer Shiloh/Doll between 2010 and 2012 Mathiaslolkmagn (talk) 15:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 16:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

May 15, 2019 - Trying to improve this article

I am trying to improve this article today. I will be making several edits. Some saves may be seen as removing information or otherwise counterproductive, however, I hope other editors will give me some leeway. Instead of reverting my edits, please leave comments in this section. When I am done, I will state so in this section as well. Thanks. --SVTCobra (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I am done for this day. I think it is a better state than before, but it is still a mess. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 01:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2019

While it is true Onision served in the air force, the details were that he passed basic training, dropped out of SERE school was reclassed, and got out with a general discharge. 12.153.8.138 (talk) 15:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

OK, please provide a source for these details. We cannot include it without verification. --SVTCobra (talk) 15:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 01:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Logo

@Hullaballoo Wolfowitz: I am requesting a further explanation for the removal of the logo in this edit. There will never be a free equivalent for the logo. Image and logo are separate parameters. It is not a substitute for a photograph of the person, but illustrates the brand this person created which is just as much the subject of the article as the person is. --SVTCobra 18:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

This article is a BLP. The use rationale for this image states its purpose as "To serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the entity in question". Under NFCC#1, since "Onision" is a living person, we presume that a free image can be created of him, and that such a free image could "serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the entity in question". The nonfree image is therefore replaceable, and may not be used in the subject's BLP. "Illustrating the brand" is not an acceptable justification for the use of a nonfree image outside the article whose principal subject is the brand itself. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 20:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand why Wikipedia would have painted itself into such a corner with regards to fair use, but this is not the place to discuss policy. Are you saying if I rewrote the article as "Onision is a collection of YouTube channels and websites operated by Greg Jackson" is would no longer be a BLP and the logo would be valid to use? If I rewrote the fair-use rationale to be for a section and included it only in a "YouTube career" section it would also be OK? If I uploaded the logo to Commons as {{PD-ineligible}} it would be free and thus the BLP restriction would not apply? Thanks for your time. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Q1) No, that's not what I;m saying. The article makes clear that primary notability is based on the person, and a pretextual name change would not affect that. Q2) That would not be a valid use rationale. Q3) Commons would delete the image, because claiming that an image is PD doesn't make it so. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

No, it's PD-ineligible. --SVTCobra 23:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Request to modify name

Gregory has changed his name to James Jackson Partiallyvoid (talk) 13:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Source? --SVTCobra 14:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Personal life

Onision has been married twice to Skye Jackson (2005-2011). He is currently married to Taylor Anderson since 2012 and they have two children together.

References

Name Change

Greg has recently changed his name to James Jackson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gethome11 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Source? I dont know, the only piece of evidence I found was a response video showing a girl on twitter calling him quote "Daddy James".--Bubblesorg (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

James Jackson legally changed his name from Gregory Avaroe on May 2nd, 2019. You can check Pierce County Online Public Records and use instrument number "201905020059" to verify.

--OddiStrange (talk) 12:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Reference Quality

I would just like to remind everybody that YouTube videos are generally not good reliable sources for use as references. Please can we try to replace them with sources that are considered reliable, particularly for contentious claims. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe just use youtube videos that either A, made by Onision, B, made by people have interview people who are close to him at one point or another, and C, Interviews with him directly. If we want to include anything else from youtube, just use to make a point about he's criticism. We can also use people's videos describing an experience with him. What do you think? --Bubblesorg (talk) 18:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Adding a picture to his wikipedia page

Hello, is there anyone who can add a picture of Onision to his wikipedia page? I think it would look neater. I personally don't know how to do it and if I did, I would kinda be concerned I would violate copyright rules if I just added any picture of Onision.

Also, perhaps we can add a section called 'Mental Health' to his page?

Wolfgang 19:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taulant12 (talk • contribs)

There's no point. There some admin with a piss-poor attitude and zero research skills periodically sweeping the page of any and all details about the biggest controversy in the guy's career. It'll get deleted, just like everything that isn't fluff, puddle-shallow information or some mean comment about hair. Wish Wikipedia would make their people do actual research, but who am I, right? A Simple Fool (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

To A Simple Fool: Wikipedia has a rigid system for adding content; it can only be included if it is supported by high-quality reliable sources. Personally, I think the admins have been too LENIENT, with allowing people to source his YouTube channels and the current state of the article's clear bias instead of staying neutral and only allowing articles from publications. Speculating about his mental health would also just add to the things we'd need to remove. -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 17:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh give me a break. I agree that a section on his mental health isn't really useful, since there have been no official diagnoses made, but how the hell is this page "too lenient"? The man is under investigation from a former NBC journalist, he's been banned from one of the largest funding sites on the internet and several reputable publications have run stories on him. I get being impartial, but reality itself tells us Onision is the bad guy. Everything he does and says reinforces that. Nothing of value would come by basically scrubbing the page down to "YouTube content creator" when his entire career have had him say and do horrible things. Come on! A Simple Fool (talk) 17:49, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey man, I was referring to lines that go along the line of "fans interpreted the clips featuring Shiloh as unscripted"; stuff like this, without a citation might I add, indicate that this was agreed upon by everyone which may or may not be the case. I was referring to people linking to his actual videos in his early life section too. Stuff like that SHOULD be scrubbed if nothing can be found to support, or replace all links to YouTube. Not sure why this is such a big deal, unless you somehow think I want the investigation and other documented stuff to be removed? Which is not the case. -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 20:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

BLP again

Regarding this and this, A Simple Fool, Bubblesorg, and others, keep what WP:BLP states in mind. This obviously includes its Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Reliable sources section. If I keep seeing content like this, I will take the matter to the WP:BLP noticeboard. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I have removed the remainder of the conversation below as it restated several allegations still not supported by highly reliable sources. Please consider this a warning that any reinstatement of such allegations, to either this talk page or the article, unless thoroughly supported by high-quality reliable sources, is likely to lead to a block from editing or other sanctions. BLP is mandatory, not a suggestion, and Wikipedia is not the place to spread rumor and innuendo from YouTube. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 15:01, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the redacted material, I'm restoring my note that I've taken this matter to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Onision article and child grooming and spousal abuse material. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:06, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit regarding Patreon

I have just made this edit. I have reviewed the BLP conversation above and made sure that my addition is sourced only from two sources Wikipedia considers generally reliable. The majority of the edit deals with the Patreon deactivation and includes a direct quote from a Patreon spokesman as reported by the source in question. I have furthermore taken effort to use language which is as neutral as possible. In addition, I have added a Current Event template which states clearly that some sources may be unreliable. As a note to other, potentially newer, editors: this does not mean that unreliable sources should be used. The most reliable sources are always preferred when editing Wikipedia.The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 19:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Your edit was mostly fine. I have added Newsweek to the first sentence as The Verge does not use the word groomed. Also I have removed the wikilink, I don't think we should include it since it's not clear from the context if this is what Newsweek is suggesting, at least not without OR. While grooming in the context of a relationship most often refers to child grooming it can refer to other things e.g. [1]. Nil Einne (talk) 03:50, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Marriages

I removed most of the personal life section a few days ago as it only seemed to be sourced to primary sources, videos from Onision [2]. Looking more carefully, it seems like some of these videos may in fact involve his husband so technically WP:ABOUTSELF could be argued to apply but I'm unconvinced we should include information on non notable individuals when the only sources are from the subject and the non-notable individual.

I missed the infobox until now and have just removed most info from it which was similarly unsourced [3].

I left the info on his first wife, as it is partly sourced to something which I guess could be a reliable secondary source. "Partially" because the source sort of suggests the divorce happened in 2010, it's frankly not particularly clear. (It suggests they were still together in early 2010, then it mentions an agreement regarding their mutual divorce in late 2010, which doesn't of course mean the divorce has been finalised, but then it does say she is the ex-wife from late 2010 to early 2011.) "Could be" because frankly that source just seems to be documenting random stuff Onision (and maybe others) have posted. Of course analysing primary sources is a key part of what secondary sources do but it's not particularly clear to me they've applied the critical eye we expect from reliable secondary sources. In addition, they don't actually do a lot of summarising of the info, it's mostly just a timeline of the stuff that was posted. Still this seems innocuous enough to just let be in the infobox although I won't be adding it back to the article.

As for the second spouse, there is some mention in that source, but frankly the details are very unclear so I'm unconvinced we should add anything about them to the article without better sourcing.

Nil Einne (talk) 04:11, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi Protect Request on Nov.29 2019

A lot of people are angry and spamming this page. I recommend enabling semi protection Abmangr (talk) 18:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:40, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Not retrospective

This article talks noting about the real public, and social media life of Greg. It's focuses purely on achievements, and childhood to adulthood. It is clearly an autobiography, and clearly biased. The vague warnings at the top are correct, and page should be changed as such. McrEng (talk) 00:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Writings section and its sourcing

The section on Jackson's writings (his self-published novellas) has been removed; this includes both the listing of the novellas, as well as the criticism the writings received from Strange Æons (stylized in all-caps), a fellow YouTuber. If that criticism was sourced by that YouTuber's own video, that would obviously fail WP:SELFPUB policy as per that policy's guideline to "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer."

However, that YouTuber's criticism was cited in a third-party source, Mashable, which hasn't been shown to fail WP:SOURCE (to my knowledge). I believe it would actually be fairly easy to argue that it passes that policy. Here is the specific source in question that was removed:

The source provided a citation for the following section: Jackson has self-published three novellas, each as Onision. Mashable cited YouTuber Strange Æons' review and commentary of Jackson's first novella, writing "Did anyone actually want to read controversial YouTuber Onision's terrible novel? Absolutely not. Will we delay getting out of bed to listen to STRANGE ÆONS make fun of it? Hell yeah."

I was wondering if we could have a talk page discussion here, on whether to reinstate the removed source. Whether the sentence it was sourcing should be included is perhaps a different discussion. User:Seraphimblade removed the source, only describing Mashable as "not a particularly good reference" in an edit summary, but not providing an explanation as to why it isn't. I feel as if the credibility, reliability, and verifiability can be fairly easily established with this particular source, and it's not as if it's being applied to an exceptionally controversial claim or anything of that nature. I touch on this more in a reply to Seraphimblade's block-warning message on my talk page.

Now once the issue of the source's verifiability is settled, I am quite aware this brings up the issue of whether or not it should be included in the article. I believe it should be. His writings are not a one-time thing for him; he self-published three novellas from 2015 to 2018. They are therefore fair game for inclusion in this article, as it is a BLP. It makes sense to then, include the reception to those writings. As of today (Dec. 1, 2019), I was only able to find a sourcing for fellow YouTuber's reception of those writings. Again, this isn't some random content creator's opinion sourced by that creator's own video. It is the opinion of a YouTuber with a rather sizable audience, cited by a verifiable source.

I would just like the feedback and opinion of other editors. All and any of that feedback is appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Soulbust (talk) 08:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Personally I like Strange Æons and would like to see her commentary represented (and should probably recuse myself because of that) but this is awfully far into the realm of YouTube Drama more than Significant Reviews Covered in Reliable Secondary Sources. —DIYeditor (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

On that note, I don't think it's necessarily "YouTube Drama" because of the way that it is (or can be, rather) presented in the article (i.e. "this is a fellow YouTube peer noted to have criticized the writing content of Onision's novels, rather than him necessarily). But I do understand your point. Soulbust (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2019

add in Cool Guy Kai as a spouse since 2011 107.193.101.224 (talk) 00:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

We need a reliable source for that. —DIYeditor (talk) 01:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Gangster8192 02:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Onision's children?

Does Onision have any children? And if so, should we add that fact to the article (if we can find a reliable source, that is)? 1bcdbackup (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Less than official sources like fandom.com say he has two and he uploaded a song dedicated to his son in 2014: youtube.com/watch?v=-wAP3l_Yxu0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConallC (talk • contribs) 00:40, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Taylor (now Kai) uploaded a video in Sept. 2018 noting that they have had children https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GEImsw13e8 82.3.153.45 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Gregorys Name

With the exception of his (Greg) middle name, a document released by Pierce County shows Greg's second name is actually Avaroe and not Jackson.

Source 1: https://www.piercecountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/75978/89529-Avaroe-Staff-Report (slightly older) Source 2: https://pals.piercecountywa.gov/public/documentView?docSysId=1223234 Source 3: https://www.whitepages.com/name/Gregory-James-Avaroe/Kent-WA/193xusuy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.153.45 (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Update: Jan 2020

A police recording has been released where Onision was talking to the police, at around 2 minutes he states his name is James Jackson,

Source: https://vocaroo.com/ec315lnzsPT

GOTHANGELSINNER (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Onision's many Youtube channels

I don't know where to add this to the page, so I'll just put it here in case someone else does.

Onision has at least 11 connected YouTube channels all presumably owned and run by him. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly sure what source I could site to show that he does, in fact, own and run them (as opposed to them merely being conspicuously connected) other than the channels themselves. While there's not really any reason to think otherwise, it isn't necessarily definitive.

In chronological order :

Onision - Jan 29, 2006 - Verified

Archive - Dec 3, 2008

OnisionSpeaks - Aug 11, 2009 - Verified

Encore - Apr 14, 2011

OnisionSongs - May 10, 2011

UhOhBro - May 27, 2012 - Verified

Onichan - Sep 26, 2013

Onision Reacts - May 9, 2017

Onision Channel - May 17, 2017

New Channel - Aug 15, 2018

Character Vlogs - Aug 31, 2018

I believe several of them are functionally, if not entirely, abandoned at this point; Some have no videos, others haven't had new videos for a relatively long time, and the about pages of some contain Patreon links, even though he has been removed (and, unless I'm mistaken, banned) from Patreon.

This abandonment is, however, purely speculation on my part.

I also know that he owns and has owned more websites than are currently listed on the page, but I don't know any details pertaining to any of them so I won't comment on them further.

The Leaky Spaceship (talk) 05:47, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Discharge Status: Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2020

"He says he was stationed in South Korea before being honorably discharged in 2008."

Change "honorably discharged" to "discharged under honorable conditions". Greg was not given an honorable discharge despite his claims. His actions in the military relegated him to a lesser discharge. There is paperwork to prove the discharge status. BeesRae (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)BeesRae

 Not done Questionable source site, at best primary source but this is not even that. —DIYeditor (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Request to edit information about court case

The court case mentioned in the 'Controversies'section was dismissed as of the 24th Jan 2020 source from Chris Hansen (Person involved in the case): https://twitter.com/chrishansen/status/1220854218833252352?s=20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BiggestBazza (talk • contribs) 01:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

The "wrong" Chris Hansen.

According to the To Catch a Predator Chris Hansen's lawyer, Mike Morse, Onision take the wrong Chris Hansen to court. The real Chris Hansen is not involved during the trial.

twitter.com/855mikewins/status/1221170721596104704/photo/1--63432anonymous (talk) 04:18, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Can we remove the youtube videos used as references?

There are a lot of references to both Onision's videos and his website, which isn't a legitimate publication or website to use on Wikipedia...can we please remove or find a replacement for them? -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 18:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

See WP:About self. Such references can be used, but there are restrictions. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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Child grooming and subsequent abuse of Shiloh?

I'm sorry, but, how is there no information about this here when he's under investigation by the FBI? There's just a mention of her being his "girlfriend," but no mention that he groomed her to sleep with him, slept with her in 2017 in Pennsylvania, then warped the mind of a minor to be his girlfriend and live with him while physically and emotionally abusing her during the relationship according to Shiloh? Seems sketch.

Krakaet (talk) 17:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Need to stick to WP:BLPSOURCES. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2020

I'd like to request that someone change the channel subscriber counts to be more accurate. The page states that Onision's channel "UhOhBro" has 2 million subscribers, but it now has 1.8 million. His "OnisionSpeaks" channel also now has 1.5 million subscribers, as opposed to 1.6 million. Also, his "OnisionArchive" channel has 521 thousand subscribers, while the article states it has 561 thousand. The article also states that his "OnisionEncore" channel has 162 thousand subscribers, but it actually has 146 thousand. Lastly, the article states that his "OniChan" channel has 48 thousand subscribers, while it actually has 37.2 thousand subscribers. Strickblixed (talk) 23:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Animal Cruelty

Should a section be added regarding the death of Gregory's pet tortoise, Reptar? It sounds like something that should be added to the list of controversies surrounding him. UlvaMoonWolf (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Current status/demonetized on YouTube

He posted a video stating he had been demonetized on YouTube titled thank you and goodbye (Around 1:50 minute mark). [4]. I don't know enough about this artist to feel comfortable doing any edits. Just wanted to put it out there. He also posted it to his Twitter account.[5] P37307 (talk) 05:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Famous for being famous?

So, this article is supposed to be about a YouTuber "primarily known for controversial opinions who was then confronted with many allegations of grooming and abuse". However, you can't really tell *WHAT* his "controversial opinions" are, as 99.99999% of this article is about his private life and tabloid media claims about it which time and again people on this talkpage emphasize violates a ton of WP policies, including such on reliable sources, except for a rape claim by a then 18-year-old who was in his custody.

What this guy did outside of all this tabloid gossip about him (which obviously went nowhere for years outside of getting him banned on a few social media outlets, and after a decade of tabloid gossip two investigations into the gossip) and related social media bans based on this tabloid stuff is hardly enough for a stub: A "Banana Song", a parody of some cartoon character, a potential case of doxxing he committed, once saying that "sluts can't be raped", and once uploading a video of himself throwing candy at his GF. Overall, we can't tell the entire notability of this article's subject or what supposedly "controversial opinions" he's supposedly been airing for years, as all we're presented with is nothing but a lot of tabloid gossip about him.

Basically, a concise lead considering the actual gossip material in the article would much rather be, "is a rapist seeking victims on social media", and nothing but that. That's what the entire article seems to be about. What little we get about his supposed YT content is only used as pretend evidence for that. --2003:DA:CF34:9396:70E3:8E45:E497:9AEF (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

A media personality with little substance besides controversies? How shocking and unusual! Youtubers are famous nowadays because a great many people spend more time on YouTube than on TV. Not approving for someone being famous is OK, but it is not among the criteria for article deletion. Nxavar (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Intro

The intro says he is an alleged child predator. Just because someone is accused or alleged to be something, that doesn't make it relevant enough to put in the article, let alone the introduction. Until someone is charged, saying there are allegations would violate Wiki's NPOV. There's no source backing this up either. 142.117.132.110 (talk) 01:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be removed from the intro, but to suggest it isn't relevant for the article at all? I'd wager that any famous or well-known person who is accused of rape would have that mentioned at least once on their Wikipedia page. Shamus248 (talk) 01:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2023

I noticed two grammar errors in the article's second sentence. Requesting a change from "His and activity both on and offline" to "His activity both online and offline" Timbutler92 (talk) 02:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lightoil (talk) 03:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Change your website link

I think they should change the website link to Onision.com, since the current link directs you to your OnlyFans and may not be the best idea.

Alxira5 (talk) 09:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

BRD

Herostratus and Shamus248 please follow WP:BRD and discuss this change here. If necessary, seek input from WP:BLP/N. —DIYeditor (talk) 08:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

BRD does not always apply in BLP cases, we are instructed that we must remove some material on sight. IMO that applies here. The article as it stands is now BLP compliant, so I am good. Herostratus (talk) 13:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I just want to point out initially that some of the content that was removed wasn't even written by me. Specifically the Billie Webb allegations, as those have been featured on the page since they originally came to light in November 2019, several years before I started having my fun with the page. I maintain that chronicling serious accusations of this nature are important, even if later found to be untrue. I'll be honest and make it known that I strongly dislike the page's subject (not an unpopular opinion to be fair), though I maintain my edits were part of a good faith effort to add information I thought was relevant and should be spoken about in some way. Challenge of the day: try finding another public figure accused of this type of misconduct and have it *not* be mentioned in their Wikipedia page, even if it's unverified or debunked altogether. I highly doubt you can find me one.

The content I added to/added myself altogether is still alluded to in the head section. If you're going to clean up one, clean up the other.

But I honestly do not care about touching this page anymore and I'm not going to again. Shamus248 (talk) 01:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with Shamus here. The statements were well-sourced and didn't make any definitive claims, just that these accusations exist. It seems like a case of WP:CENSORED to not include this material. — Your local Sink Cat (The Sink). 23:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I think we should ask BLP/N for input from experienced editors. I will start a thread there. —DIYeditor (talk) 11:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm with Sink Cat and still maintain that I support inclusion. But I'm not gonna make the edits myself Shamus248 (talk) 21:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Onision. —DIYeditor (talk) 11:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)