Talk:One Night with Regine/Archive 1

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The result was: promoted by Evrik (talk) 06:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

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The National Museum of Anthropology

• ... that the benefit concert One Night with Regine by Filipina singer Regine Velasquez was staged at the steps of the entrance façade of the National Museum of Anthropology (pictured)? Source: Montemar-Oriondo, Ann. (May 19, 2002). Regine with a difference. "For one thing, the outdoor setting at the Rizal Park’s Agrifina Circle was really something else. the steps of the National Museum silently but powerfully leading the eyes to the stage fronting the museum’s facade"; Ortega, Ricardo. (May 5, 2002). Regine sings on the stairs. "The pillars of the National Museum... convinced [Velasquez] that they would make a scenic backdrop... She had the entire front of the building as her stage"
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Created by Pseud 14 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC).

Substantial article on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I wonder if we need "facade", especially if the properly licensed image is shown. I guess I'd prefer to know about the music, and or what was benefitted, but that could be just me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the review Gerda Arendt, made a little tweak:

• Alt1: ... that the benefit concert One Night with Regine by Filipina singer Regine Velasquez, which was staged at the steps of the entrance façade of the National Museum of Anthropology (pictured), was in support of the Bantay Bata child welfare program? --Pseud 14 (talk) 14:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. How is this - same thing the other way round:

ALT1a: ... that One Night with Regine was a concert in support of the Bantay Bata child welfare program, staged at the steps of the entrance façade of the National Museum of Anthropology in Manila (pictured)?

trying to avoid duplications.

Gerda Arendt, this is perfect ;) much appreciate your edits --Pseud 14 (talk) 14:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

both approved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:One Night with Regine/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 18:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Sources are reliable; Earwig reveals no problems.

• I think the FUR for the poster is marginal. There's no benefit to the reader's understanding; the image is just of Velasquez, and gives the reader no information or context about the show itself. What is the source URL from which this is taken?

  Unfortunately the concert didn't have an official poster, this was the image/lithograph released by the concert organizer (ABS-CBN). And was used in several print and other media releases, including newspaper articles, (example). I have this image saved a long while back in my archive of Velasquez related posters, and could not find an actual source link as files dating back early 2000s are a bit hard to weed out especially for Philippine media coverage. Nevertheless, I agree with your comment, so I have removed it.

• "Performed at the façade of the National Museum": a façade isn't a place, it's the front of a building. I think you probably mean "in front of" or something similar. Or perhaps the point is that the façade was the backdrop for the performance? If so, I'd say it that way.

  Revised as suggested

• Should the title (and its mentions in the article) be in italics? Or in quotes? I'm not sure what conventions would apply to a single concert name; I would guess quotes, like an episode of a TV show, but I'm not sure. If it's quotes, that wouldn't affect the title but would affect the body of the article.

  I believe concert article titles should be named without quotation marks per WP:CONCERTDAB (e.g. 4 Intimate Nights with Beyoncé, Revel Presents: Beyoncé Live). We only use italics for television special titles (e.g. A Very Gaga Thanksgiving)

• "Among these services, include rescue operations, legal assistance, counselling, and community outreach": ungrammatical

  Revised

• "under the care of Bantay Bantay": presumably should be "Bantay Bata"?

  My bad, silly mistake. It is Bantay Bata

• "spoke of having a "soft spot for the center" through her roots as a native of Bulacan": why would her Bulacan background make a difference? Bantay Bata is a national organization, isn't it?

  She spoke about this because the aim of the concert was to raise funds to benefit the construction of a shelter/accommodation center that was then being built in her hometown of Bulacan through the Bantay Bata organization. One of the main reasons that she agreed to do the project too was that they were building the center in her hometown.

  I missed that connection but of course that's fine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

• "with the grand stairway spaced for the orchestra and choir": what do you mean by "spaced".

  The orchestra and choir were positioned at the front steps of the national museum

  Saying it that way (unless that's the source phrasing, of course) would be clearer than what's in the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

  Revised as suggested Pseud 14 (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

• "A large-scale design of the letter "R" accentuated the pillars of the museum's left section which extended across the stage resembling a strip of ribbon": I don't understand what this is trying to tell me. As written it means the pillars resembled a strip of ribbon, which I'm pretty sure is not what's intended.

  Shortened to avoid confusion.

• "This set list is adapted from the television special One Night with Regine": I don't think you mean "adapted", which would mean it was altered; you probably just mean "taken from".

  Revised as suggested

  Looks like this didn't get changed? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

  My bad, forgot to update the credits and personnel section too. Should be done for both now. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Spotchecks:

• FN 4 cites "After production of the film was completed, she presented the concept to ABS-CBN and later chose the museum as a second beneficiary of the show": the source has "I wanted to have a beneficiary, which they chose, Bantay Bata, and also the National Museum, since we're also doing it there". This doesn't say whether it was Velasquez or Channel 2 that chose the Museum as the beneficiary. And the sequence is out of order; with the quote from her earlier, it makes it sounds like the museum was chosen later than Bantay Bata, but there's nothing in the source that says that.

  Revised this to remove any confusion. Took out mention of 'later' so there is no ambiguity in chronology as you have raised.

• FN 8 cites 'In retrospect, Velasquez has said in a 2021 interview that the concert was her "most memorable to this day" and added that there has not been a similar type of show staged since': I don't see anything in the source that could be used to cite "there has not been a similar type of show staged since". Am I missing something?

  I paraphrased the statement from this English-Tagalog response/quote That was the last time na nagkaroon [ng ganoon]

• FN 2 cites "Montemar-Oriondo also commended the initiative and causes supported by the event." I think this is based on "lofty goal" in the source; is that right? Seems to be saying more than the original says, if so.

  Correct. IMO it seems to be a sort of commendation on the cause/initiative of the event. Nothing exaggerated or overstated. But I understand the point you raised. I have removed it.

• FN 4 cites "Velasquez campaigned to showcase the museum and its exhibits, saying, "I think it would be nice so that more people would come and visit"." Unless this is cited to the non-English text, this seems to be just a reference to her suggesting it as a location, which has already been mentioned.

  Correct, I referenced the non-English text.

Overall I think the article goes into too much detail about trivia, and makes too much of minor mentions in the sources. There's no secondary coverage of the details given in the synopsis, so I would reduce that to just the setlist. The spotchecks all revealed at least minor problems, which is concerning. I'm not sure the article really deserves to exist separately; perhaps it would be better to incorporate it into an expanded version of List of Regine Velasquez live performances? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking on the review and providing your feedback Mike Christie. I have addressed/actioned each points raised above. I did my best to trim the synopsis accordingly, but would also like to reference some Good Articles about tours/concerts as my guide when drafting the article (e.g. The Monster Ball Tour, Money Can't Buy, 4 Intimate Nights with Beyoncé). Generally it would include, a Background and development section detailing how the show was planned or came into fruition. Mentions of previous/similar types of shows done (if any), stage design, fashion, notable personnel/directors involved, etc. As for the synopsis section, the source is the referenced media itself per Cite AV media notes, which is generally used along with liner notes, concert booklets/programs, or in plot and setting sections of films/series. That would be the only section where the media itself is used. I would also counter that I think the article itself, is notable enough to merit its own separate entry, given there's adequate/significant media coverage and it being one of the singer's highest profile concerts that also garnered/received recognition. I also would not find it reasonable, format-wise, to have an expanded entry in the singer's list of live performances since it is already a listing without description/text (aside from its lead). Do let me know if your concerns have been satisfactorily addressed or if there are additional changes you require. Pseud 14 (talk) 01:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the trimming; that does help. I see the precedent in other articles; I'm not sure I agree, but it does look like there's consensus for approaching concert articles as you describe, so that's fine. Passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a second look and for passing Mike Christie. I have addressed the remaining items you raised above as well. Very much appreciate your time in reviewing. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)