Talk:On Her Shoulders

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Review: December 24, 2019. (Reviewed version).

A fact from On Her Shoulders appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 September 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a 2018 documentary depicts Nadia Murad (pictured), who escaped sexual enslavement by the Islamic State, alerting politicians and journalists to the atrocities being committed in her native Iraq?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:On Her Shoulders/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 15:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this :)

First point, I think MOS:FILM wants the cast list above production. More notes to come. Kingsif (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Style

Lead good length for article
I don't know if "kidnapping" should be plural; perhaps "going on" could be 'happening', but neither of these are major.

Done

I feel that She remembers taking notice of the speech, and paying attention to the genocide of Yazidis by ISIS. is just drawing out the point that seeing the speech alerted Bombach to the genocide. And from the next sentence, it doesn't really sound like the film was her idea (so how much did she take from it)?

Done In one interview she mentioned "taking notice of the speech, and paying attention to the genocide of Yazidis by ISIS". She does not elaborate so removed the sentence.

The quote in the development paragraph needs to be integrated better. Where you've chosen to start it is a great place to embed into prose, but you haven't, which is disappointing :( It's grammatical flow is also currently wrong. It would be easier to make it fit if split after "her story", or using bracketed paraphrasing to resolve things like "we were", which makes it harder to embed fluidly.

Done

First sections generally written good. There's probably some areas for improvement but nothing required for GA.
Could Bombach said they had no idea what was going to happen day to day be integrated into the previous sentence? It doesn't feel significant enough to get its own with so much more information there.

Done

Similarly, is there a reason why According to Bombach, "I lied" is written out like that? If not done for a reason (please reply if it has!) you could add "Bombach said she lied to them" on the end of the last sentence.

Done

Needs a [sic] next to the Rotten Tomatoes quote ("effect" should be 'wikt:affect', but Tomatoes does say "effect")

Done

The reviews section is just "X of the Y said: quote". Summary style is preferred, with some quotes where they are needed/support.

Done

Needs work

Coverage

Lead doesn't warrant an entire cast list; perhaps Obama and Ban Ki-Moon on notability above the others.
- @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I think maybe there was miscommunication here - I meant to say that only Obama and Ban Ki-Moon should really be included, because they have more notability than the others. Sorry if this was confusing! Kingsif (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Since Rotten Tomatoes has listed 52 reviews, I just want to check that the ones selected for the article are reflective of the views spread among all. I wouldn't suggest adding many more reviews so as to not make the article really review-heavy, but if the other reviews discuss certain things that aren't covered here, those things may be worth a mention. And as said above, the current reviews included should be expanded on.
Needs attention

Done

Illustration

Good infobox and awards table.
The body image of Murad could be moved to the cast list. There's a lot of space below to give more even image coverage, and it would stop it from hanging off the bottom of the infobox. (Or left where is if cast list moved up!)
Needs attention

Done

Neutrality

Looks fine.
Pass

Stability

History looks good.
Pass

Verifiability

All sources look good
Everything seems cited, except the cast - don't necessarily expect this in the cast list, but most of them aren't mentioned elsewhere (cited) in the article to verify
Needs attention

Done

Copyright

Check looks good.
One free image
Fair use film poster in infobox
Pass

Overall

On hold A few things here and there, big issues are citing cast/appearances and needing to work on the writing in the reviews section. Kingsif (talk) 15:51, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kingsif, I have fixed the issues. Thanks ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CAPTAIN MEDUSA Thanks for responding so quickly! I still think there's some 'X said Y' in the earlier parts of the review section, and that in other parts of the article writing around quotations is weaker than the rest of the prose. Even though quotes can easily be embedded like rearranging other text, grammar seems to fall flat and weasel words appear around the quotes. I guess I can ask for you to try incorporating quotations just as if you're writing plain prose - and if it seems like it will work easier paraphrased without the quote, you may be able to remove it. I may tweak an instance or two to give an idea, in case this sounds odd. Kingsif (talk) 16:53, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kingsif, done, Thanks. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 12:49, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking on the recommendations! I still think the review part needs work. Though sometimes "X said Y" can be a suitable format, the way and order that the reviews are listed in this article makes it jarring; quotations that say quite different things are just put next to each other and it doesn't read very fluidly. I'm sorry to keep pushing this when you've already done a lot of work, but it's jarring for the reader. Kingsif (talk) 13:56, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kingsif, can you check the section. I have removed quotations. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Thanks, it was written much better, but in some areas you had removed quotation marks from direct quotes or turned it into close paraphrasing, which is a wrong move because it then becomes copyvio. In reviews, quotations aren't bad, but they shouldn't stand in for the whole review. I did some moving for flow and removed the "as herself" etc. parts for redundancy, but it's looking good now. Happy to promote. Kingsif (talk) 15:58, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kingsif, Thanks for the review. You are welcomed to review Mike Wallace Is Here and Nischal Basnet for GAN. Thanks. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 10:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I might get round to them soon. Kingsif (talk) 22:46, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]