Talk:Olompali State Historic Park

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Break-off as part of WP:CAL project on ranchos

The WP:CAL is considering an article on the ranchos of California. This article speaks notably about a Miwok Chief who is one of the few, if not only, tribes to own a rancho. This notable fact is also present on the Novato, CA article. Your comments are welcome about either improving this article or branching it off as a separate article. Ronbo76 18:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Our projects' choice on this article or proposed article(s) are: 1) improve this article; 2) write an article about the rancho; or 3) write an article about the Hoipu, Camilo Ynitia; or 4) write two separate articles. Ronbo76 20:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for this article

City of Novato (official website) Novato History Museum documents Coast Miwok Chief Camilo Ynitia lived in the area north of the city along with a picture of his daughters, Maria Maxima and Maria Antonia. Additionally, mention of the rancho San Jose to Ignacio Pacheco is made.

Question - Are those pictures considered in the public domain coming from a city website?

University of California Irvine Camillo Ynitia, Coast Miwok (1803-1856) - Catholic, Rancho Grant Owner documents Camillo Ynitia fully. This article states, he "was the only Native American holding both Mexican and U.S. government land grants in northern California." The search for hoipu in our Wiki article led to this source. Ronbo76 19:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Search on NR.NPS.GOV website for Rancho Olompali Here is what the PDF reads:

Novato vicinity. RANCHO OLOMPALI (COAST MIWOK INDIAN VILLAGE), 1450-1913. Several bedrock mortars, a petroglyph, and 2 house pits from a 15th C. Coast Miwok Indian village and ruins of an adobe structure (c. 1837) are visible. Scene of hostilities during Bear Flag Rebellion, June 10-July 5, 1846. Also visible are ruins of a 19th C. mansion and 1870 formal gardens. Private.

Dates established by this NR.NPS.GOV PDF- 15th Century Coast Miwok Indian village; adobe structure c. 1837; Scene (meaning site) of Bear Flag Revolt from June 10 to July 5, 1846; 19th century mansion; 1870 formal gardens and an undated petroglyph which mostly predates the adobe and possibly documents the Coast Miwok settlement.

So far...

I added the Indigenous peoples project tag and offered some suggestions. I also put a parks infobox and geolinks in the article. Hopefully someone with more West Coast expertise can help with the content. I'm not certain about Public Domain as it applies to recently digitized images, and I'm not much of a wikilawyer when it comes to that stuff. Good luck! Kafziel ^Talk 20:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photos requested

Photos of the adobe, settlement and petroglyph would be greatly appreciated. Ronbo76 21:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I may be able to assist with my new camera Goldenrowley (talk) 06:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV discussion

I marked it not neutral point of view NPOV because there is way too much Burdell history, compared to native and ancient history. Camilo Ynitia and the Miwok people that build the house need greater coverage, while Burdell family needs a lot of trimming. If the Burdell family stories are important, they are tangents and off topic when not about the land and park itself. I think most of the Burdell life stories should be moved to a Burdell biography page. Goldenrowley (talk) 06:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well on further research I found most of the Burdell text was a long long quote from a Coastal Post article in 1977[[1]]. As a copyvio most of the Burdell stuff will probably be removed. I rephrased the sections I thought important to the park history so we could keep them. Goldenrowley (talk) 08:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for finding and addressing this. I've tagged it for further attention given that the use of quotes in the article as it is right now doesn't really meet non-free content criteria. But the copyright violation is addressed. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I consider the NPOV resolved today by removal of the copyrighted material. Thank you! Goldenrowley (talk) 23:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed

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Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Olompali State Historic Park/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Suggestions:

Expansion into sections dealing with the history, geography, current status, and features of the park. For instance:
1. - How did it last so long? Is there a chain of ownership?
  - When did it officially become a park?
  - Is one house all there is to see?
A useful photograph or two
Inline citation formatting
An infobox

Those improvements will bring it to anywhere between a strong Start status and A-status, depending on the extent of information. Kafziel ^Talk 19:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 19:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 01:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)