Talk:Ohio High School Athletic Association

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I would add the controversy about the Columbus team who was sanctioned for making a religious gesture, but someone else will have to do it. I say this not with malice, but from my true opinion, Wikipedia's editors really need to concentrate on being less petty. I write for a living. I'm well respected. But when every post I've made gets deleted, I do give up. Enjoy your website without my contribution. Skunkarific (talk) 06:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Sandusky" Perkins

I removed "Sandusky" from the "Sandusky Perkins" parts because there is no town called Sandusky Perkins. It's just Perkins. Or Perkins Township, if you want to get technical. Thanks. Parsecboy 12:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

litany of state champions: too much

I think the entire listing of every state champion is overkill. This is not the personal website of the association and really makes the page cumbersome. I will wait for further discussion, but I really think it all needs to go. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It obviously took a lot of time and effort to make such a long list and do a good job of it, but ultimately this page is about the association and not the non-notable list of high school state champs. It takes up almost an unnecessary 90,000 kb of space, too. -Jrcla2 ^(talk)^(contribs) 02:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. The primary purpose of the OHSAA is to conduct these tournamnets. The winners are notable. Would creating this article work for anyone: Ohio High School Athletic Association state champions?EagleFan (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is uncharted territory (which isn't to judge it as good or bad). Personally, I would prefer that as an option to how the article exists now. I would think it will be challenged (that's just a gut reaction, I don't have proof or policy to support that. Without having looked, are there links to a listing of these champions at a OHSAA website? These links could be added unobtrusively. LonelyBeacon (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to think along LonelyBeacon's line of thought — while I don't personally object to that idea of a page (I even suggested something like that to you on your talk page), I have a feeling there are a lot of people who would be against it. Not to be redundant but there hasn't been a precedent that I'm aware of, so who knows. At the end of the day I am still against that list being compiled on the OHSAA page. Just because they run those state tournaments does not transitively imply notability for said high school teams/championships. -Jrcla2 ^(talk)^(contribs) 23:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While not written specifically for this case, the general idea is contained at this essay, which in general states that notability in many (though not all) situations is not inherited by being related to a notable entity or entities. The OHSAA is certainly notable, and the schools who are members are notable, but the fact that some of those schools won championships is not necessarily notable enough to write an article about it. I also think that WP:WEIGHT excludes the overly long listing.

When I edited the Illinois High School Association article, I had this same quandry. Ultimately, as I listed each sport, I listed only the one school who had won more championships in that sport than any other. As I edit school articles, I try and list top-4 finishes in each sport. In other words, I try and strike a reasonable balance. LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Minnesota State High School League State Championships (Fall) has been around 2 1/2 years and has survived a challenge. Let's not exclude data because the scroll bar is to small...EagleFan (talk) 16:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of New Mexico Activities Association championships EagleFan (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see the note on List of Minnesota State High School League State Championships (Fall) surviving a challenge, but the list is certainly there, that gives a lot of credence to it being around. Like I said, given all that this article could be expanded (history, governance, etc), I think moving the exceptionally long lists would be a positive for the article (I might even create one for Illinois, that being the case).

EagleFan is correct in that data should not be excluded just because it is lengthening the article. However, it has been pretty much accepted that long lists of information should be excluded/split off from articles as they break up the flow. LonelyBeacon (talk) 18:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that those two articles exist supports my original notion of splitting it off of the OHSAA page and into its own article. Again, a "Main article..." type of link that is placed on the OHSAA page will still ultimately lead the reader to that information if they want to see it, but it shouldn't clog up the Association's page. -Jrcla2 ^(talk)^(contribs) 19:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]