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Ultimate failure, and subsequent similar movements

Recently, France's "Yellow Vests" protests have been compared to Occupy Wall Street. Here are some sources which do that: [1] [2] [3] [4] (lots more in Google News).

I feel that this article in general is missing the bigger picture, and is sometimes written as if it was still early 2012. It mentions little, fairly hollow victories (e.g. that supposedly the Bank of England encouraged bankers and politicians "to behave in a more moral way"), but doesn't mention that its goals of reducing income inequality basically failed.

As the second article I linked to above notes: "However what most of the European governments and the Brussels did was to target the working class cutting wages and pensions, laying off thousands of workers, while big businesses, banks were going unpunished which avoided paying taxes, although the main reason for the financial crisis and the subsequent recession worldwide was their greed."

It seems pretty clear that future historians will view Occupy Wall Street as a symptom of widespread public anger about certain issues which failed to get them resolved at the time, but was perhaps a prelude to more consequential changes in the future (a little like the 1905 Russian Revolution was a prelude and practice run to 1917). Esn (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of Occupy are in Egypt, not the U.S.

Occupy organizers in the U.S. explicitly took inspiration from occupiers in Tahrir Square in Egypt and from Arab Spring activists in Tunisia (http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/). The first paragraph of this encyclopedia entry should make that fact more clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.194.182 (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Populista?

NO es populimo? el populismo es una respuesta sencilla a un problema complejo, y esto es totalmente lo contrario. 88.10.28.92 (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

External links

There are sixteen entries in the "External links" section and subsection.. Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion.

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There are 46 links in the "See also" section and subsections and 15 in the "Further reading". With the "External links" that is a total of 77 links. This is indicative of far too many links.

Remove excessive links and 2013 maintenance tag. -- Otr500 (talk) 18:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Impact on bankers

I was considering copying the following line from the Andy Haldane article to the Impact section of this article. I leave it to the editors of this article to determine if it is appropriate and how to merge it with existing content.

In October 2012 Haldane said the Occupy movement protesters... had persuaded bankers and politicians "to behave in a more moral way".^[1]^[2]^[3]

References

^ James Kirkup (29 October 2012). "Occupy protesters were right, says Bank of England official". Daily Telegraph. London. Retrieved 30 October 2012.

^ Hannah Kuchler; Claire Jones (30 October 2012). "BoE's Haldane says Occupy was right" ((registration required)). Financial Times. Retrieved 30 October 2012.

^ "'A leaf being turned' - speech by Andrew Haldane: 29 October 2012 'Socially useful banking' conference at Friend's House, Euston, London on 29 October 2012". Archived from the original on 6 November 2012.

Daask (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Andy-1] James Kirkup (29 October 2012). "Occupy protesters were right, says Bank of England official". Daily Telegraph. London. Retrieved 30 October 2012.

[OccupyCorrect-2] Hannah Kuchler; Claire Jones (30 October 2012). "BoE's Haldane says Occupy was right" ((registration required)). Financial Times. Retrieved 30 October 2012.

[3] "'A leaf being turned' - speech by Andrew Haldane: 29 October 2012 'Socially useful banking' conference at Friend's House, Euston, London on 29 October 2012". Archived from the original on 6 November 2012.

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