Talk:Nur Muhammad Taraki

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July 4, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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Time of Death

This account dates the death to October 8: Garthoff, Raymond L. (1994). Détente and confrontation : American-Soviet relations from Nixon to Reagan (Rev. ed. ed.). Washington, D.C.: Brookings Institution. p. 1006. ISBN 0-8157-3041-1. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help). That source in turn relies upon this source (which I don't have): Bradsher, Henry S. (1983). Afghanistan and the Soviet Union (2. printing. ed.). Durham, N.C: Duke University press. p. 115-16. ISBN 978-0822305637.

Death

Wouldn't it be worth noting that, according to Dmitri Volkogonov in 'The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Empire: Political Leaders from Lenin to Gorbachev', that Taraki was strangled by Amin's assassins? Given that most of Volkognov's statements are based on and backed up quotes from the Soviet archives its probably true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.99.230.147 (talk) 23:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright issues

Regarding the recent dispute over the {copyvio} tag: I've deleted the one paragraph (about his early life) that did indeed appear to be copied directly from Encyclopedia Brittanica. It's possible that I missed some other bits - if so, I'd encourage User:Quatloo to ~~remove them~~ point them out specifically. This technique - simply removing or reverting copyright-violating text, in situations where most of the article is legitimate - is generally accepted on Wikipedia. CDC (talk) 06:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked the Encyclopedia Britannica and compared it to this article, and the copyright infringement seems to have been successfully purged. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 20:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV violation

Reads like a polemic against Nur Muhammed Taraki and the PDPA, so I slapped an NPOV tag on it. Hopefully someone knowledgable on the subject matter can edit in a less biased manner. --Nicky Scarfo 03:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some jerk took the NPOV tag off without even a discussion on the matter, so I'm slapping it back on, until someone knowledgeable on the subject can edit so the article doesn't read like an anti-Taraki/PDPA polemic. If you're looking to push your own political biases, someone should be prepared to defend and source their arguments at the least and before taking off the NPOV tag, discuss why they think the article does not violate NPOV. --Nicky Scarfo 20:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dammit! As soon as I put the NPOV tag back on, someone keeps taking it off. We can play this game all day, but why don't you at least say WHY you don't think it violates NPOV before removing the tag, cause otherwise I'm just gonna keep putting it back on without comment. This is ridiculous.--Nicky Scarfo 21:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is you the one that must specify why is not NPOV. Tag removed once again. Messhermit 22:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My father worked for him

My dad worked for him as one of his english/urdu translator for one year during his rule from 78 till his death. My dad named me 'Noor Muhammad' after him cos my das was very fond and loyal to him. When he was murdered, my dad left afghanistan and came to birmingham, england. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noorkhanuk85 (talk • contribs) 22:39, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Term

it says he died on 14 september 1979 but the infobox says he was in office until 16 september 1979. any info on the discrepancy? 72.136.202.49 (talk) 17:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 9 is also there at britanica--Vssun (talk) 10:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are more questions. He has taken over as President and Prime Minister on Same day (as far as I know). The why the difference (April 30 for President and May 1 for Prime minister). I would like to change both into April 30 (Ref. Vogelsang).

As per Vogelsang the death date is October 9. Same as britanica. That also should be changed. --Vssun (talk) 05:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth

britanica & Vogelsang says that taraki born in 1917. Needed citation for 1913.--Vssun (talk) 12:08, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

changed to 1917 --Vssun (talk) 10:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit April 2011

Hi

In the course of the copyedit a few things came to light which may need attention:

Lead

"Leonid Brezhnev, the Soviet leader, gave him the go ahead to kill him." - this is not what it says in the body of the article, there it says he said 'it's your choice'.

Early life and career

"with the Khalq (English: Masses), led by Taraki, and Parcham (English: Banner), led by Karmal, being the largest." (para3) - so the Parcham was the largest? This differs from what was said earlier - if the Khalq was the largest the being the largest statement needs moving further towards the beginning of the sentence.
"Daoud ordered the arrest of ..., including Taraki and Karmal, while placing others ... under house arrest." - so they were all arrested, should this be something like the first two were arrested and confined in prison/police cells while the rest were (only) under house arrest?

Other reforms

"followed an illiteracy program" - a program of illiteracy would be making the people less literate surely? changed to literacy.

Taraki–Amin break

"Taraki would be more acceptable than himself as the face of the Afghan communist revolution" - why?

General notes

Official titles of office are not generally capitalised: the Deputy Prime Minister = wrong, the deputy prime minister = correct, the Government = wrong.

Chaosdruid (talk) 21:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nur Muhammad Taraki/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lemurbaby (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

I made some changes to the content in places where it wasn't clear. Please have a look. If there are points you want to reincorporate, please do so with more complete information and citations as needed. Lemurbaby (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please respond here to explain deletion of the "citation needed" tags that I added. What was the source of the statements I tagged? Lemurbaby (talk) 16:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~There is one disambiguation link for Nawa. Please link to the appropriate Nawa (region? town?).~~ Lemurbaby (talk) 05:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

Please add citations where indicated. Lemurbaby (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

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Birthdate

The following two sources both give July 14, 1917 as his birth date:

Arnold, Anthony (1983). Afghanistan’s Two-Party Communism. Parcham and Khalq. Stanford, CA: Hoover Institution Press. p. 15. ISBN 0-8179-7792-9.

Bradsher, Henry S. (1985). Afghanistan and the Soviet Union. Durham, NC: Duke University Press. p. 37. ISBN 0-8223-0690-5.

Jo1971 (talk) 09:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Marked by dictator-like" written in POV style as though it's an established fact

The only reference for this comment comes from an author, whose name proper, is Colonel Richard D Camp, Jr and who was, if it is not obvious, a fucking captain, and then a colonel in the United States Marine Corps. An impartial historian, this fucking guy is not. I'd remove it but it'll swiftly be put back in place by one of Jimbo's mates eager to correct history against a neoliberal plastic slide rule. Just noting it here if anyone feels like removing this crap. WobInDisguise (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, source is week and no other source seems to use this phrase. Particularly inappropriate for lead, as does not reflect body. Have removed. BobFromBrockley (talk) 15:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]