Talk:Nigel Bonner

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A fact from Nigel Bonner appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 September 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Nigel Bonner, an Antarctic marine mammal specialist and Polar Medal recipient, researched the Antarctic fur seal and published "the first modern scientific study of the species" in 1968?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nigel Bonner.

Additional notes

Full disclosure: I am Nigel Bonner's son.

There is no reference for Frederick Bonner dying from war injuries; my understanding was that it was a brain tumour, and I can probably find Dad's notes to that effect (however, I realize they would be a primary source).

The teacher who encouraged Bonner in Wisbech was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Englefield. Sadly, again, I have no secondary sources for that statement. 194.216.114.35 (talk) 09:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

... and now I have an account (and am watching the page) Martin aus Herrischried (talk) 15:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Martin: When I wrote this portion of the article, I was working from a Church obituary for Gerald Bonner, concerning the family history. But I have very obviously made an error, between the two articles, and will make the corrections.

The "the premature death of his father" is mentioned for Gerald, but I can't find the information which lead me to believe that Fredrick's death was caused by a war injury! (Where the heck that that come from?) I am so very sorry, and give you my most grateful thanks for pointing out my mistake!

Will add more comments, in regards to Ronald Englefield. My very best wishes to you. Your father was a remarkable man. I greatly enjoyed researching and learning about his life. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Martin, I have read the Ronald Englefield article. As I wrote, from sources "While in Wisbech he showed an early interest in natural history, by collecting beetles. This interest was supported by one of his schoolmasters." So I assume Englefield was the schoolmaster?

Although WP wishes (nowadays) to have a citation for every (biographical) statement, this is not absolutely required, unless the statement is challenged. And I think this is more for objectionable material. We can see how this is necessary for a biography, of course!

I wish the Englefield bio stated dates for his teaching and the school. (Perhaps some research could be done, and added?) But if you can provide any other details, this would be helpful to my addition to the article. It seems that Englefield's encouragement set your father along his road, even if it didn't have to do with beetles. And so I will make this addition, and it would be helpful if you have more tiny details for me to add, save the bare mention of Englefield's name. Otherwise, this is just enough, and I can connect the two articles by inserting Englefield's name.

Many thanks to you! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References on WP

Not certain if these are important, or what to do with them?

Jacqueline Mitton reference: A Visitor's Introduction to the Antarctic and its Environment (1984), with Nigel Bonner

Antarctic krill reference: Hempel, G. (1987). Martin V. Angel; W. Nigel Bonner (eds.). "The krill-dominated pelagic system of the Southern Ocean". Environment International. 13 (1): 33–36. doi:10.1016/0160-4120(87)90041-9. Scientific Requirements for Antarctic Conservation.

Whale reference: Bonner, Nigel (1980). Whales. Facts on File. pp. 17, 23–24. ISBN 978-0-7137-0887-5.

Earless seal reference: Bonner, N. (1994). Seals and Sea Lions of the World. United Kingdom: Blandford. pp. 1–224. ISBN 9780816057177.

Fur seal reference: Nigel W Bonner, S Hunter (1982). "Predatory interactions between Antarctic fur seals, macaroni penguins and giant petrels" (PDF). British Antarctic Survey Bulletin. 56: 75–79. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2012-10-31.

Cetacea reference: Bonner, Nigel (1980). Whales. Facts on File. pp. 17, 23–24. ISBN 978-0-7137-0887-5.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Antarctic fur seal

... that Nigel Bonner, an Antarctic marine mammal specialist and Polar Medal recipient, researched the Antarctic fur seal (pictured) and published "the first modern scientific study of the species" in 1968? [1]
- ALT1:... that Nigel Bonner, a zoologist and Polar Medal recipient, made the first study of the introduced reindeer in South Georgia, which were intended to provide fresh meat for whaling crews?
- ALT2:... that Nigel Bonner, an Antarctic marine mammal specialist and Polar Medal recipient, made the first study of the introduced reindeer in South Georgia, which were intended to provide fresh meat for whaling crews?

Comment: QPQ not needed. The rules states "Exception: If, at the time a nomination is promoted to the main page, its nominator has fewer than five DYK credits (whether or not self-nominated) then the nomination is exempt from QPQ."

Created by Tribe of Tiger (talk). Self-nominated at 16:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]

This substantial article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and either hook could be used, the article is neutral, and I detected no copyright issues. The image is suitably licensed, and could be used with ALT0. No QPQ is needed here. I suggest rewording ALT1 and ALT2 to ALT1a and ALT2a: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- ALT1a:... that Nigel Bonner, a zoologist and Polar Medal recipient, made the first study of the reindeer in South Georgia, which had been introduced to provide fresh meat for whaling crews?
- ALT2a:... that Nigel Bonner, an Antarctic marine mammal specialist and Polar Medal recipient, made the first study of the reindeer in South Georgia, which had been introduced to provide fresh meat for whaling crews?[2] [3]

ALT0 to T:DYK/P5