Talk:New Jersey Route 17

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
February 3, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed

U.S. Roads: State highways / New Jersey Mid‑importance

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New Jersey Mid‑importance

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Bridge dates

0211150 over New York and Greenwood Lake Railway 1913
0211152 NB under ramp to Route 3 EB 1972
0211153 NB over Route 3 1972
0211154 SB over Route 3 1971
0211155 under North Service Rd 1972
0212150 SB under Erie Railroad 1929
0212152 NB under Erie Railroad 1972
0212153 under Route 120 1969
0212155 under Moonachie Ave 1970
0213150 NB under ramp to US 46 EB 1964
0221151 SB under US 46 1936
0221152 NB under US 46 1936
0213151 under Terrace Ave 1988
0214150 NB over I-80 1962
0214151 NB under Summit Ave 1963
0226152 SB under Summit Ave 1962
0226150 SB under I-80 EB local 1962
0226151 SB under I-80 express 1963
0214152 under Essex St 1931
0214157 over New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway spur 1932
0214158 over New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway 1931
0214159 over Central Ave 1931
0214160 over East Passaic St 1931
0214161 over Plaza Way 1932
0214162 under Fairview Ave 1994
0215150 over Route 4 1931
0215151 under Century Rd 1959
361631N under GSP NB 1954
362632S under GSP SB 1954
0216150 over Sprout Brook 1933
0216152 under Midland Ave 1959
0216411 under Paramus Park access 1972
0216155 under East Ridgewood Ave 1961
0216162 under pedestrian bridge 1971
0216160 under Linwood Ave 1964
0216161 under Paramus Rd 1964
0216157 over Saddle River 1927
0217166 under pedestrian bridge 1986
0217158 under Hollywood Ave 1966
0217159 over Sheridan Ave 1969
0217161 under pedestrian bridge 1970
0217162 over East Allendale Ave 1969
0217165 under Lake St 1992
0217157 under Franklin Tpk 1956
0218150 under Spring St 1957
0218153 NB over Erie Railroad 1956
0218154 SB over Erie Railroad 1932
0218156 under Central Ave 1956
0218158 over Ramapo River tributary 1933
0218160 under Ramapo Ave 1956
0218161 NB over US 202 and Ramapo River 1956
0218162 SB over US 202 and Ramapo River 1932
0218163 under Hillburn Rd 1955
0235168 SB under I-287 NB 1990
0235167 under ramp from I-287 NB 1990

Route 17 wouldn't be considered major at the GSP in Paramus, right since it only goes one way?

--Nextbarker 03:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)nextbarker[reply]

Not true. Whether or not the interchange is complete is more or less irrelevant, and one can access the Parkway in the other direction easily enough using Route 4. I'd actually been meaning to add the Parkway to the junction list for a while. It's possible that the reasoning of the editor who created the exit list was that they had already listed the Route 4 junction in Paramus, but the Parkway is clearly more major than Route 4. -- NORTH ^talk 15:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

Very nice.Just sourcing and GA nominate it.Mitch azenia(7500+edits) 03:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Route 4 is major then the GSP?

How? Route 17 and 4 have a mall not to far from there, don't they, I don't lie up there, so I don't know.

--24.228.70.72 17:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)nextbarker[reply]

You're question doesn't make sense. NJ 4 and the GSP are both listed in the junction list. -- NORTH ^talk 21:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Route 17 more major at the GSP then Route 4?

On Route 17, how can it be more major at the Garden State Parkway then at Route 4? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.70.72 (talk) 21:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Both NJ 4 and GSP are on the junction list on this article. Both NJ 17 and the GSP are on the junction list for NJ 4. The only way your question makes sense is if you're asking why NJ 4 isn't on the junction list for the Garden State Parkway. There are a number of discussions on Talk:Garden State Parkway that will answer that question for you. -- NORTH ^talk 21:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exit List

Not to nitpick or anything, but shouldn't the exit list for Route 17 be converted into a "Major Intersections" list instead, as per the project guidelines? The current exit list seems overly long and contains way too many minor roads for it to be relevant. Thoughts? --Dbm11085 (talk) 03:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Very little (if any) of NJ 17 is fully limited access, so it's not particularly deserving of a full exit list rather than a junction list. -- Kéiryn ^talk 14:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since all but a few are interchanges, they should all be listed. --NE2 19:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I jumped the gun a little and redid the "major intersections" table based on the SLD's data. Should every little intersection really be included on this? Like for example, Route 17/Ridge Road goes through North Arlington and Lyndhurst, intersecting probably 30-40 local roads. What makes actual signed local road exits (such as Century Road in Paramus) more worthy of being added to the list than the other ones? As stated on the NJSCR project page under the Major Intersections or Exit list header, it sounds like the idea is to not make the list too long, hence making it optional to add county roads to the list of intersections. That said, if we added every single street that Route 17 intersects with for its 27-mile run, the list would be way too long. Personally I think that highlighting the most important junctions is the best way to go here. Dbm11085 (talk) 21:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, definitely don't include every intersection, but north of US 46 it is a "proto-freeway" and it makes sense to include every interchange. --NE2 21:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I will fix that later on then. Thanks for the input. --Dbm11085 (talk) 21:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New Jersey Route 17/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
The MOS now states that wikilinking dates should only be used when a link is needed in itself, not just by default or for autoformatting purposes. Therefore, all dates in refs should be unlinked. Also, the mile posts should be converted to km. The list of intersections states that it is incomplete. This cannot be excepted in a GA article; either complete it, or make a more neutral statement that only major intersections are included (whatever major is in your opinion).
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Article placed on hold until the matters are resolved. Arsenikk ^(talk) 22:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone back and made changes to the article. The junction list is designed in accordance with the guidlines at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey State and County Routes, which calls for a junction list featuring junctions with Interstate Highways, U.S. Routes, state routes, and (optional) county routes. I have only included the 500-series county routes, a statewide county route sytstem used in New Jersey, in the table. Other intersections with Bergen county routes were omitted because it would make the table too long. Dough4872 (talk) 21:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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