Talk:New Albany, Ohio

Is New Albany still a Village or is it a City now?

On the census report for 2000, the village had a population of 3,711. On the 2004 census, the village had a population of 5,333. Under Ohio law, if a village goes over 5,000 in population, it must become a city. Would that be the case with New Albany, Ohio. JeffreyAllen1975 21:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose it would.

--Yshoulduknow 00:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

"new albany proper" as the village is often called, is tiny. hardly anyone actually lives here, mostly just wexner, golf courses, and the multi-million dollar houses. these lines are intentional to keep the village status. the census is mostly likely counting people with the mailing address "new albany", of whom the majority are paying columbus taxes, or people in the plain local school district. anyways, call the mayors office, its a village. Stuph 23:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is still the Village of New Albany. They are trying to get a city name by 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjessberger (talk • contribs) 23:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Even though this is a 5 year old conversation, to clarify, becoming a city in Ohio simply means an incorporated municipality has crossed the threshold of 5,000 residents. The Census Bureau will count residents who live inside the village boundaries; not simply those who may have a New Albany mailing address. Censuses are only conducted in years that end in "0", so there was no census in 2004. If the 2010 Census places the population over 5,000, New Albany will be classified as a city. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

In looking at the Census chart in this article, it really needs to be trimmed down. We're supposed to just use each Census year (which is every year that ends in "0" and then the most recent estimate if it's not the actual census (so once the detailed 2010 census numbers come out for each city, that will be the most recent until the next estimate). The Census Bureau estimates are just that: estimates, while the census itself is based on actual tabulation for the most part. Mixing them together like they are here isn't accurate --JonRidinger (talk) 21:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Per state law, there are exactly two ways for a village to become a city: either it passes five thousand residents in an official census (not an estimate), or it has more than five thousand registered voters. Presumably the latter is to ensure that a very rapidly growing community doesn't have to remain a village just because it expanded after the census. See New Franklin for an example: it was a village in 2000, but it annexed the surrounding Franklin Township soon afterward, and it reached fifteen thousand residents according to the 2006 estimates; I suspect that this law is what made it a city. Nyttend (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

History

For a more extensive look at New Albany History visit the website of <a href="http://www.newalbanyplaintownshiphistoricalsociety.org"> The New Albany/Plain Township Historical Society </a>

Chip "z32fanatic" Ferguson

I have removed this refrence.

First off, I think you are trying to refrence: Chris Ferguson who is rumored to live in New Albany, IN

Second, the county auditor does not show any Chris or Chip Ferguson in New Albany, Ohio.

Details

Many of the details listed on the page are quite pertinent, please don't wholesale delete them. If you have an issue with a *particular* detail, feel free to edit as necessary. There is no wikipedia standard that prevents us from completing an article. Skalskal (talk) 14:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Arts

Examples from larger cities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus,_Ohio#Performing_arts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton,_Ohio#Fine_arts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron,_Ohio#Culture_and_contemporary_life —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Wayne,_Indiana#Performing_arts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erie,_Pennsylvania#Arts_and_culture 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

And here's some smaller cities, too....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Springs,_Ohio#Arts_and_culture 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traverse_City,_Michigan#Arts_and_culture 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort,_South_Carolina#The_arts 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Chapel,_Pennsylvania#Arts_in_the_Community 71.64.2.120 (talk) 04:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherton,_California#Culture_and_contemporary_life 71.64.2.120 (talk) 04:09, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Michael Redd

Further proof of residence: wife Achea lives there, proof she's his wife, zoning map for New Albany (in the orange section to the left of Hawks Moor), map from the auditor's website of his house... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

In case you are unfamiliar with the Franklin County Auditor's website, here is the appropriate page and how to use it:

http://franklincountyoh.metacama.com/do/searchByParcelId?taxDistrict=222&parcelNbr=003584

Under "2009 Tax Status", in the bottom right, you will see "Tax District" and a link to "[222] PLAIN TWP-NEW ALBANY CORP.". This means the New Albany-incorporated part of Plain Township. Click on the link if you'd like a clear map of the New Albany portion of Franklin County.

The reference is rock-solid when you take the time to look at it. If you feel the need to edit this article, please make sure you understand the references first! Please do not delete it again. 155.188.247.5 (talk) 15:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

All you've provided are primary sources. You have interpreted the fact that these individuals own property in the New Albany ZIP code to mean that they are resident at those properties. Since the sources don't say that they reside there, you may not say that they are residents. Nyttend (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

For Redd, have also proved his wife lives there, and proved that she's his wife. A search on the db shows no other house owned by him in central Ohio in Franklin County. Multiple multiple multiple sources show he lives in the Columbus area in the offseason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.188.183.7 (talk) 17:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

There, EVERYTHING is verifiable now. 155.188.183.5 (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Read our synthesis policy—all you've done is synthesise published sources to create a conclusion not immediately given in any of them. Also note that "probable residents" are not acceptable. Nyttend (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Wholesale deletions

Please bring these items to the talk page FIRST, you are regularly deleting import, relevant sourced information. Please stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 11:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay. You want details, you get details. (1) Read WP:HEAD—do not capitalise any words in headers that you wouldn't capitalise in normal text, except for the first word. (2) In other articles, we base our sections on sources independent of the text. Sources dependent on the subjects, such as http://www.newalbanysymphony.org/ for the symphony, are unacceptable. (3) In other articles, we don't give links to articles about events in the notable people sections. (4) In other articles, we don't base our citations on blogs: they're definitely unreliable sources. (5) Finally, since you demand that I apply the same standards as I do to other pages, please observe that we don't generally give citations in the notable residents sections; citation is dependent on the individual's page. We also don't give simple links in the references: we provide a full citation. Nyttend (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Your criticisms are mostly formatting, not content, and therefore do not justify the removal of content. Correct the format if necessary, but deletions are unwarranted. For Rifqa Bary, the article covers both the event and the person, if you click through you'll see that although the title is about the event, the article itself (in the very first sentence) starts with the person. I'll revert your deletions, please feel free to fix any formatting errors I have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.188.247.5 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

citations for the Walking Classic: runwildracing.com, halfmarathons.net, walk magazine, Columbus Business Journal

citations for Taste of New Albany and Founders Day: ThisWeek News, Columbus Monthly

Not blogs! 155.188.247.5 (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

The article is not Bary: the article is the Bary incident, and we do not include events in these sections. You have repeatedly failed to provide reliable sources for the inclusion of individuals and events: you may not include anything without a reliable source, because it cannot be verified. Nyttend (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Point by point: (1) "Rifqa Bary" redirects to the article. The article itself starts with "Fathima Rifqa Bary", and NOT the controversy. Obviously the controversy and the person are a merge, therefore the article is a proper link. Even if the article is NOT the proper link, Bary is CLEARLY notable enough to be on the list.

(2) Goodman should be on the list, per his article and the citations in his article which clearly state NA is his hometown. Goodman is certainly notable enough, if he is not, you should suggest deletion of his wikipedia article. The same goes for the other people.

(3) The Walking Classic is CLEARLY cited, MULTIPLE journalistic links all over the racewalking community. Your continued deletion of this section is egregious and unnecessary.

Before you delete ANY piece of this article, please give your reason for EACH and EVERY piece you choose to delete, instead of deleting at your whim. Your prior argument for the removal of the Michael Redd cite, although I disagree with it wholeheartedly, at least has enough of a rationale behind it to be worth consideration. Your repeated deletion of Goodman and the Walking Classic does NOT, and is approaching vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.2.120 (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting that you are so concerned that a large-amount addition changes one small Manual of Style issue, yet you continue to global revert away cited content. Can we agree to make edits to ONLY pertinent parts of the article? That is, feel free to fix MOS issues, or to remove blog-cited content, WHILE LEAVING THE REST ALONE. My most recent edit maintains your MOS correction, and blog citations have been removed. If you have issue with a VERY SPECIFIC piece of content (and not five paragraphs worth of cited material), please edit that VERY SPECIFIC piece, while leaving the rest of the article alone. Then we can debate that specific piece of info, on its own merits.155.188.247.5 (talk) 17:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Rifqa Bary event

Big events in small towns are part of their history. Look up "Bonnie & Clyde" here on wikipedia. The fact that they were killed in Bienville Parish is *definitely* an item on their page, despite the fact that Bonnie & Clyde weren't from there, had no connections there. The important thing is that a notable, national event occurred in Bienville Parish. Much like notable residents, notable events that occur in a town do NOT have to be related to the town itself, they just must be (a) notable, and (b) have occurred there. Bonnie & Clyde was my quick example, do you want a half-dozen more? I'm sure I could find them, but I don't really think that's necessary. 71.74.87.123 (talk) 03:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a source that backs up "New Albany made national headlines...". Incidental mentions are not sufficient. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The way it is now seems OK (granted, it's several months later!). Bear in mind for future instances that big events seem even bigger to a small town. You have to look at this from a global perspective, though, not a local perspective. This is a Wikipedia article about New Albany, not New Albany's Wikipedia article. Does the event help the reader understand the city better? Did the event play a role in the development of New Albany? Not really. New Albany simply provided the backdrop as the home of Rifqa Bary. The city or its residents, however, did not play a major role in that event nor was the city mentioned much beyond the AP heading. Even there it was often first identified as "suburban Columbus". --JonRidinger (talk) 21:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Article is about town, not events involving inhabitants

Re [1] - unless the event involves the town itself, this doesn't belong in the history section. For example, New York City has thousands of notable inhabitants but none of the events specifically involving them are mentioned in the history section. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Compare to a small town, not to New York. Lindbergh kidnapping? Check the East Amwell, New Jersey and Hopewell, New Jersey pages. Bonnie & Clyde died? Check out the Bienville Parish, Louisiana page. Wild Bill Hickok murdered? Deadwood, South Dakota. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.87.123 (talk) 04:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

All these events have lasting notoriety. The event you wish to add happened last year. Again, please provide a source that has more than an incidental mention of New Albany. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

More than incidental mention is NOT needed, only that it was a significant national event, and that it occurred in New Albany. Look at Duluth, Georgia under 2005 incidents: the runaway bride is mentioned there, because it was (a) a signifcant national event, and (b) it occurred in Duluth. Look at Perry, Oklahoma: mention that Timothy McVeigh was simply *arrested* there! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.188.247.6 (talk) 15:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

More examples: Pacific Grove, California: death of John Denver. Kenedy County, Texas: Dick Cheney's hunting accident. Posting significant events that occurred in small locales is standard operating procedure, regardless of how important the locale was to the story.155.188.247.6 (talk) 16:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

And more: Calhoun, Tennessee: 99-car pileup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.188.247.7 (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

That's 9 other examples, it certainly seems to be a normal part of a small-town narrative.155.188.247.7 (talk) 18:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

A notable small band is a collection of a few notable residents

Small bands are basically notable residents. Style sheet is unclear, the band is clearly notable, so leave it on there. If you have an issue with it, BRING IT HERE, do not delete! Please follow normal wikipedia procedure by bringing issues to the discussion page. 71.74.87.123 (talk) 23:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you aware of the way we do things nationwide? A band is an organisation, not a person; this section is for individuals. You might try reading WP:LISTPEOPLE; in all US communities, we remove individuals who do not have their own articles and who are not plainly notable for reasons such as being upper-level politicians or professional athletes. Band members aren't necessarily notable because of being band members, so they mustn't be included here. Nyttend (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Nyttend is correct; Notable people lists like these are generally for individuals (or a group) who have a Wikipedia article already in existence. We're not saying they will never be notable, but at this point there does not appear to be any notability associated with the individuals or the band. Become familiar with the notability policy. If an article is created about the band or the individual members that can demonstrate notability, then no one would have any problem placing them in the Notable people list. Most local bands have no notability outside their local area and even within their local area, notability is very limited. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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Why is Les Wexner's association with J.E. always removed?

It's what he's most famous for at this point. Weird that there's such a rush to defend an accused P. His links to J.E. are inarguable, even if the accusations are not as firm. 24.160.193.151 (talk) 04:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)