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Disturbing, negative bias

This article has a rather disturbing, negative bias. Information is given that is not correct, but rather, seems to be copied from newspapers and other media sources. Information from www.nemenhah.org is taken out of context, or is misquoted.

For example, where the article cites the requirements for Spiritual Adoption into the Nemenhah Band, it states that the Nemenhah "ask" for a donation of $250.00 and then an additional @100.00 per year. The article overlooks the instruction that these are merely suggestions and that the Nemenhah would rather each individual prayerfully consider their own financial ability to support the program and to make the donation they feel prompted by Spirit to make. The type, kind, amount, and frequency of the Offering is then completely left to the person giving it.

The article also drags a minor child and his mother once again through the media muck pit. Danny Hauser was ordered to take chemotherapy which had already threatened to kill him. The article fails to mention that he had already been taken off the chemo early - by the Medical Doctors - because it was causing blood clots and could bring on a stroke. This is the same treatment he was ordered to resume. In connection with Danny Hauser, the article also fails to mention that the mother returned because the Nemenhah Band begged her to do so on public media.

The Nemenhah Band and Native American Traditional Organization is recognized by constructive arrangement by the Federal Government, Department of the Interior, by the Missouri Secretary of State, by the Maka Oyate Sundance Society, by the Oklevueha/Sioux Nation Communal Native American Church of South Dakota, and by Native American Holy People representing over fifty FED and CROWN Recognized Tribes and Bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chief Cloudpiler (talk • contribs) 2011-03-14 (UTC)

PR

This article as it currently stands reads like a press release from the group, and it ignores the Daniel Houser case that was reported widely in the mainstream media, and I suspect was the first time the group was brought to national attention. The fact that the PR director signed his name to the article strikes me as somewhat irregular. --Bellerophon5685 (talk) 04:52, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Basic Edits - Long overdue!

The heightened racial bias in the original edits have persisted too long and do not concur with Wikipedia's objectives. The current edits better reflect this organization's facts and better supports Wikipedia's integrity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmckael (talk • contribs) 20:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a cult? It looks fraudulent.

Are fictitious governments without nations or land considered significant enough for wikipedia? Edit: the original page has some interesting information:

"The Group received widespread attention in 2009 when a judge ordered chemotherapy for a 13-year-old boy who'd been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. Contrary to popular belief, the Family were not members of the Nemenhah; the mother was a Nemenhah Minister and her son was a Nemenhah Youth Minister. Custody of the son was taken by the court and he therefore, as a ward of the Court and not a free individual, was deemed incompetent to make any decisions for himself (Minnesota State Vs. [Name removed because of previous user's objections on this page. Gee, I wonder why...]). It should be noted that although the 13-year-old young man was removed from the custody of his parents because of medical child abuse, the parents were never charged with medical child abuse and when it came time for the court to assign foster parents for [Name removed], the Court ordered the child to be remanded into the foster care of his own parents. "The Nemenhah have successfully defended the Establishment and Free Exercise of their Religion against substantial burden by government in California, Utah, Ohio, North Dakota, and Florida in a total of nine separate cases over the past ten years (State of California vs. Laurie Jessop; City of Logan Board of Education Superintendent of Schools vs. Jackson; City of Logan Fire Marshal vs. Scott; Florida Cassadaga County vs. Kennell; State of North Dakota Board of Medical Examiners vs. Depodal; State of Ohio Board of Medical Examiners vs. Miller; Ohio Perry Township vs. Mandriotti; State of Ohio Board of Medical Examiners vs. McMullen; State of Ohio State Tax Commission vs. Anyana-Kai)."

No mention of this in the article as it stands. My apologies for not following proper format conventions, I am new.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Doopwii123 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Factual Edits Repeatedly reverted

Despite multiple personal attempts to make corrective edits based in fact rather than fiction, this article has been continuously reverted to an outdated and categorically incorrect three paragraph version that implies the Nemenhah were at some point based in Weaubleau Missouri. Having been raised in this particular organization, and having been a short term resident of Weaubleau myself before taking orders in the Nemenhah clergy, I can personally attest to the fact that while the founder of the organization resided there for a short time, the corporate address of the organization was never at any point based in Weaubleau. While it is not my department within the organization, and I do not receive compensation for tracking and editing this article, I do try to keep an eye on representations made regarding the Nemenhah.

Editing text and links that may seem promotional is very appropriate, if I understand the user guidelines, but a full reversion of the contents of the article to false information should not be permissible. Contributors should at least fact-check before reverting this article to its outdated and inaccurate versions.

--Jmckael (talk) 01:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I fundamentally disagree with your edits and believe you have severely deteriorated the quality of the information on this page. Nowhere does it discuss the public health scandal associated with the organization, which is really the only thing that makes it noteworthy to begin with! Doopwii123 (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of making this page the best it can be, can you please list here all the information you have issues with being included on this page and why you have issues with them? I would also appreciate it if you listed here the information you would like to see added to the page that is not in its current form. Doopwii123 (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]