Talk:Neapolitan Mastiff

Dogs Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Dogs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Canidae and commonly referred to as "dogs" and of which the domestic dog is but one of its many members, on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DogsWikipedia:WikiProject DogsTemplate:WikiProject DogsDogs articles

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Dogs To-do:

Here are some tasks you can do to help with WikiProject Dogs:

Recent changes patrol: members can review the recent changes list to be aware of improvements or vandalism.
Expand and improve citations: Akita (dog), American Bully, Artois Hound, Azawakh, Barbet (dog), Basset Fauve de Bretagne, Bavarian Mountain Hound, Bearded Collie, Beauceron, Berger Picard, Black and Tan Terrier, Black Norwegian Elkhound, Border Collie, Border Terrier, Bouvier des Ardennes, Bouvier des Flandres, Braque du Bourbonnais, Brazilian Terrier, Briquet Griffon Vendéen, Brittany (dog), Bullenbeisser, Bull Terrier, Ca de Bou, Cairn Terrier, Cardigan Welsh Corgi, Campeiro Bulldog, Central Asian Shepherd Dog, Chilean Terrier, Chow Chow, Colombian Fino Hound, Corsican Dog, Cretan Hound, Croatian Sheepdog, Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, Danish Spitz, Dingo, Dobermann, Dogue Brasileiro, Dunker, East Siberian Laika, English Cocker Spaniel, English Foxhound, English Toy Terrier (Black & Tan), Erbi Txakur, Estonian Hound, Estrela Mountain Dog, Finnish Lapphund, Flat-coated Retriever, French Bulldog, Galgo Español, Gaucho sheepdog, German Hound, German Shepherd, German Wirehaired Pointer, Glen of Imaal Terrier, Gordon Setter, Great Dane, Greek Harehound, Griffon Bruxellois, Guatemalan Dogo, Gull Dong, Halden Hound, Hamiltonstövare, Hanover Hound, Havanese dog, Hokkaido (dog), Hovawart, Ibizan Hound, Icelandic Sheepdog, Indian Spitz, Irish Setter, Irish Terrier, Irish Water Spaniel, Istrian Coarse-haired Hound, Jagdterrier, Jämthund, Kai Ken, Karakachan dog, Karelian Bear Dog, Karst Shepherd, Keeshond, Kokoni, Kooikerhondje, Koolie, Kuchi dog, Kuvasz, Labrador Retriever, Large Münsterländer, Lucas Terrier, Magyar Agár, Miniature Bull Terrier, Miniature Fox Terrier, Mongrel, Mountain Cur, Northern Inuit Dog, Norwegian Elkhound, Norwich Terrier, Old Danish Pointer, Old English Bulldog, Old English Sheepdog, Pastor Garafiano, Pastore della Lessinia e del Lagorai, Patterdale Terrier, Pekingese, Perro Majorero, Peruvian Hairless Dog, Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen, Pharaoh Hound, Plummer Terrier, Plott Hound, Polish Greyhound, Porcelaine, Portuguese Water Dog, Pudelpointer, Rajapalayam dog, Rat Terrier, Saarloos wolfdog, Sabueso Español, Saint Miguel Cattle Dog, Šarplaninac, Schipperke, Serrano Bulldog, Shikoku dog, Skye Terrier, Sloughi, Slovak Cuvac, Small Münsterländer, Smithfield (dog), Smooth Collie, South Russian Ovcharka, Spanish Water Dog, Standard Schnauzer, Swedish Vallhund, Tatra Shepherd Dog, Terceira Mastiff, Thai Bangkaew Dog, Tibetan Mastiff, Tibetan spaniel, Tornjak, Weimaraner, Welsh Hound, Welsh Terrier, West Siberian Laika, Westphalian Dachsbracke, Xoloitzcuintle, Xigou
Stub class articles in need of development: Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog, Argentine pila dog, Armant (dog), Assyrian Mastiff, Banjara Hound, Billy (dog), Braque Dupuy, Bruno Jura Hound, Bulgarian Scenthound, Ca Rater Mallorquí, Calupoh, Campeiro Bulldog, Can de Chira, Cane Paratore, Cantabrian Water Dog, Chortai, Córdoba fighting dog, Denmark Feist, East European Shepherd, English Shepherd, Faroese Sheepdog, Gończy Polski, Grand Griffon Vendéen, Gull Dong, Hanover Hound, Hygen Hound, Japanese Terrier, Kaikadi (dog), Kars dog, Koyun dog, Kunming dog, Kurdish Mastiff, Levriero Sardo, Mahratta Hound, Majorca Ratter, Maneto, Markiesje, Molossus (dog), Montenegrin Mountain Hound, Rampur Greyhound, Romanian Mioritic Shepherd Dog, Sapsali, Sarabi dog, Schweizer Laufhund, Segugio Maremmano, Segugio dell'Appennino, Sinhala Hound, St. Hubert Jura Hound, Taigan, Tatra Shepherd Dog, Tazy, Toy Bulldog, Treeing Cur, Vikhan Sheepdog, Westphalian Dachsbracke, White Shepherd
Suggested Featured Articles due for re-assessment: Beagle (2007)
Suggested Good Articles due for re-assessment: Swift fox (2008); Cavalier King Charles Spaniel (2009); Clumber Spaniel (2009); Russian Spaniel (2009); Sussex Spaniel (2009)
Requested images: Briquet de Provence, Denmark Feist, Erbi Txakur, Jeju dog, Kaikadi (dog), Kars dog, Koyun dog, Levriero Sardo, Liangshan Dog, Perdigueiro Galego, Segugio dell'Appennino, St. Hubert Jura Hound, Tarsus çatalburun, Tibetan Kyi Apso, Vikhan Sheepdog, Villanuco de Las Encartaciones

Italy B‑class Mid‑importance

	Italy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Italy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Italy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ItalyWikipedia:WikiProject ItalyTemplate:WikiProject ItalyItaly articles
B	This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

Archive 1

This page has archives. Sections older than 360 days may be automatically archived by when more than 5 sections are present.

Baiting of bulls, bears and jaguars

This citation for this statement is a broken link. While Neapolitan type dogs may have been used to work cattle, and there are anecdotes that imply Camorra members used them in dog fighting, I've never seen any source that implies they were used for baiting. This seems to be the same myth that they fought in the arena. There is confirmed evidence of a Bordeaux being matched against a Jaguar, but Neapolitans did not exist at the time.

The same section also calls Scanziani Italian. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?150521 While the Neapolitan is an Italian breed, Scanziani was Swiss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.50.5.100 (talk) 06:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, Jaguars are a new world genus and as such the time frame during which baiting was widely popular and socially acceptable and the modern Neapolitan Mastiff breed would have been 0. At best, jaguar should be replaced with leopard, but I tend to doubt the veracity of the link that is used to support this. I would support removing this statement. 129.24.131.23 (talk) 00:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Cane da Presa Meridionale into Neapolitan Mastiff

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge. Cavalryman (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All this seems to be is the Neapolitan Mastiff before it was recognised by the ENCI in 1949; it's not a breed or even a population, but an organisation that hopes to create one. As such, it fails WP:NCORP. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:01, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Fails GNG; I could find only one mention of the southern catch dog in one book. Curiously, back in 2011 the article "Cane da Presa Meridionale" was moved to "Cane da Presa" because the "Meridionale" was judged as being not necessary. See also Catch dog. William Harristalk 08:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support – seems to be a variant of the Neapolitan Mastiff. Cavalryman (talk) 10:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

You can progress this now, JLAN. William Harristalk 08:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Image overkill

This page is heavily overloaded with images – Commons is the place for an extensive image gallery. I propose reducing the total number to five (one in the infobox, four in a gallery). I'd welcome comment on that idea, and on which images they should be. Ping the editors who contributed to this talk-page, William Harris, Cavalryman, Sagaciousphil and Hafspajen (the last two perhaps no longer active?). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, fantastic cleanup, I’d cull everything outside the infobox except File:Obiettivozootecnicosulmastino antoniocrepaldi 2004.jpg. Cavalryman (talk) 13:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Support. Hafspajen left Wikipedia in 2016 as a result of cyber-bullying, and Phil left in late 2019 over "editing differences". The pix need to be illustrating something encyclopedic and not just a random collection of photos of people's pets. (However, I believe the last pix is simply adorable!) The pix with the caption "Young" might make a better infobox pix as it shows the full dog facing in the one direction and looks a fine specimen, but I am not too fussed. William Harristalk 13:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cane corso

Language 2409:4073:203:8D20:0:0:279B:B8A0 (talk) 00:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Pictured dogs didn't even resemble Piero Scanziani's breed standard. I changed the pictures, taking others from commons:Category:Neapolitan Mastiff.

File:Mastinonapoletano.jpg shows the breed standard:

Scanziani's dog Siento, photographed in the 1950s

File:Mastino sylwetka.jpg and File:Mastino2.jpg both show a pure-blood exemplar:

Other standard exemplars:

Here's a bunch of ultra wrinkly dogs, actually not representing the standard:

Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 13:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Est. 2021, I don't know how you're able to tell from the very sparse descriptions of these various images which are and which are not "pureblooded" – I know I can't; and even if the Polish dog is "pureblooded", we certainly wouldn't need two pictures of it. After a quick look, the only even vaguely usable one I can see that is definitely taken in Italy is File:Neapolitan Mastiff (mastino napoletano).jpg. Your thoughts on that for the infobox? And on then having the Siento image in the history section, and nothing more? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers: I'm a member of the Ente Nazionale della Cinofilia Italiana and I've owned a couple of certified pure-blood Neapolitan Mastiffs myself, but I don't want to label myself 'an expert' in anything; however, these dogs are clearly far from the standard, and that's why I linked the picture of Siento, the breed standard. Both 'the Polish dog' and Neo, as well as Lucy, all represent that standard. File:Neapolitan Mastiff (mastino napoletano).jpg is a pure-blood dog too, but the picture doesn't allow to focus on its body and face traits, while the pictures of the Polish exemplar are more definite, allowing to better highlight the difference between the breed standard and the currently pictured wrinkly dog. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply, Est. 2021. I let my ENCI subscription expire many, many years ago – I was fed up with reading about almost nothing but hunting (of which I'm not a fan) in I Nostri Cani. I have no in-depth knowledge of this breed (I keep these), so will defer to yours. Unfortunately, of the images available on Commons, not one is really very good (by 'good' I mean something like this – yes, that's not a dog!). So, may I suggest: your choice of the most representative whole-animal image in the infobox; the Siento picture in the History section; and nothing more? Unless, that is, there is some specific characteristic discussed in the text and shown in one of those other images? When I proposed an image gallery in 2020 the page looked like this; I no longer support my own suggestion. On the other hand, I would support Cavalryman's suggestion of including this if we had some context for the photo. Do you happen to have that Crepaldi book? Note: not pinging Cavalryman or William Harris as I know they've both left the project, most regrettably. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]