Talk:Native American tribes in Iowa

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On 26 November 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Indigenous peoples of Iowa. The result of the discussion was moved to Native American tribes in Iowa.

Note on copyright

A bot tagged an early draft of this article as a possible copyright violation because it included a list of Iowa tribes similiar to one in Lance Foster's Indians of Iowa. Including an alphabetical list of the historically known Indian tribes in Iowa would not be considered a violation of copyright law under a reasonable definition. There are a finite number of tribes in Iowa and there is only one way to list them alphabetically. The fact that Foster's list is the basis for this list is irrelevant, he did not put these tribes in Iowa and a full citation for Foster's work is given. The list has since been modified over the course of building the article. Bill Whittaker (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Indians'?

Why is this erroneous, archaic term used as an article heading? Better would Indigenous Peoples of North America or Native Americans. The discredited misnomer, 'Indians' arose from navigators who erroneously thought that they had failed to India. 195.89.72.19 (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Native American tribes in Iowa. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 17:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

American Indians of Iowa → Indigenous peoples of Iowa – American Indian is of course an outdated term for Indigenous peoples in the United States, and this article should also be consistent with other states' articles on Indigenous peoples. Salmoonlight (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. "American Indians" is still a common enough term used by the people in question. O.N.R. ^(talk) 23:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Native Americans in Iowa - "Native Americans" is the most common term for indigenous peoples in the United States by a pretty solid margin.[1] It's also the term used in the article for indigenous people in the whole country, Native Americans in the United States. estar8806 (talk) ★ 04:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Native Americans in Iowa. That also seems to be how the category tree uses the term. Gonnym (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support - article intro sentence says this includes the Indigenous peoples prior to arrival of Europeans, so they would not be considered "Americans" in any sense and therefore using American Indian or Native American is inappropriate. Indigenous peoples is the best neutral name and goes with Wikipedia standards of previous articles as stated by OP. oncamera _{(talk page)} 14:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We're more bound to WP:COMMONNAME, and "Indigenous peoples" is not the most common name. As a matter of fact, both this article and some of those that use indigenous peoples in the title use "Native American". estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support for consistency with other articles.★Trekker (talk) 16:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose proposed name and support renaming to Native American tribes in Iowa. Thanks for calling attention to this article. The name is the least of its problems. American Indian is a completely acceptable term that is very much in use today (e.g. widespread use in tribe's official names today) and the tribes/cultures centered in Iowa today and in the past are all American Indian (i.e. they are not Métis, Inuit, Pacific Islander, etc.). However, this article is not about individual American Indians in Iowa (who could belong to any tribe). Its focus is tribes with territory in Iowa. The new name should focus on tribes. Native American tribes in Iowa would match the names in the categories names Category:Native American tribes by state and similar statewide articles like Native American tribes in Nebraska, Native American tribes in Massachusetts, Native American tribes in Virginia, Native American tribes in Texas, etc. The in not of is important because few of these tribes/cultures originated in Iowa. Finally, Iowa is not a cultural region, so this article's title should fit the protocol of statewide articles not those of cultural regions. Yuchitown (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]
BTW Anything in English, using the name Iowa, and using that state's bounderies to defining land, is going to be anachronistic to be when discussing precontact cultures. Yuchitown (talk) 16:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Support. Even if you want to ignore the issues of whether or not the term "American Indian" is still used and considered proper, at the very least, it is a term that is confusing and incorrect in nature considering people actually from India also live in the United States. Articles should move to using Indigenous American or Native American (I don't really have a preference for either to be honest) since the other term gets confusing when trying to distinguish people people native to America and people native to India. Sillypilled (talk) 15:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Native American tribes in Iowa, per User:Yuchitown. 162 etc. (talk) 21:01, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.