Talk:National Liberation Front of Provence

Background/context section

An interesting topic. May I suggest a "Background/context" section, introducing French separatism broadly and the history of Provençal nationalism. Although you wouldn't need to go back as far as, say, Hugh of Arles :) you could also be clearer from the start as to their ideology; it is rather left to the reader, at the moment, to try and work out whether they are left- or right-wing (yes, of course "National liberation" is generally left, but bear in mind that your non-French readers (I.e. most of them!) will instinctively associatiate a French national front of any kind with, well, you can probably guess. Some meat on the ideological bone would be an enhancement.

Even a small expansion such as that would add another 200 words or so. serial ^# 09:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oh hey SN, yes it's an interesting topic. Sadly there is not a lot of sources to support this article nor they're in English. About the background section, I first wanted to see how many sources I can find to expand it to at least B. And yes, I believe if I could add some background info it'd be ready to upgrade it to a higher level. About the ideology, I couldn't find any info about what their ideology or ideologies is/are the only thing what I know is that they want independence and are suspected racists. Of course I always could have a look at the French NLFP's article to find more stuff. The only sources it has are these [1], [2], [3] and [4]; I don't believe these are reliable and can't be used in the article if you find a source or more who can explain to us what their ideologies are, I'd be really grateful. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 13:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Copy edit notes

• "The just established security zone was soon after disestablished." Does "just established" mean established since 6:49 that morning, or since that January?

• The sources don't say when but I assume it was meant to be the morning of the attack.

• "Both men have been detained after 24 hours." Do you mean 'Both men were released after 24 hours.'?

• Yeah, they indeed were released.

• "suspected racist tags" It was suspected that the tags were racist? Or suspected that they were left by the NLFP?

• I thought I read "suspected" but looks like it was my imagination maybe because, one source earlier mentioned that not all the tags were claimed by the group so I maybe assumed it was not confirmed at the moment but that's not the case.

• Could we have a translation of "Dehors les barbus nique leurs mères"?

@Gog the Mild: that's very rude indeed...but I suspect you know that already! 😉 serial ^# 10:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129, "Thou shalt not censor Wikipedia". You know my rhetorical questioning style too well. Yes, I was trying to suggest that something like 'and the vulgar slogan "Dehors les barbus nique leurs mères"' might be needed.

You possibly know that I have access to high level French translation. I got a thesis level essay when I asked for a translation of Lancaster's indenture with Edward III and a 40 minute lecture on the possible nuances of "si guerre soit, et a faire le bien q'il poet" in 14th-century English legal, court French. They are used to being asked to translate random snippits from or for Wikipedia, but I think nearly wet themselves when I passed on this one with a straight face. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

• You see when I wrote that I wanted to add the translation too but I was afraid my translation was wrong or so. That's the reason why I didn't add it even though I know someone is gonna ask that to me. When I translate it I get "Outside the bearded men fuck their mothers" which is supported by both Google Translate and my fellow Dutch Vertalen.nu; I assume that's the real translation. I also thought first it was written in Occitan or its dialect Provençal.

• "do not refer a priority of a popular structured group" I don't understand what this means.

• It was meant to be a "priori" instead of "priority"; I guess I got confused by them.

OK. So does the source state that the police did assume that it was the work of the FLNP; or that they didn't automatically assume this?

Gog the Mild (talk) 04:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks Gog. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

As previously stated, I would endorse Cereals recommendation to add at least some ideological background - currently the whole business seems to spring out of nowhere. And I note that the first paragraph of the text is not covered by the main text. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)