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This page was created precisely because I was in search of tolerable source of information. While there is an all-too-brief entry on the Japanese Wiki, its a pain in the butt for most users to search there and try to read the Japanese.

This company was one of a number of institutions which helped the Japanese expand their colonial empire throughout Asia and the Pacific in the 1930s and 1940s, and as such it is of some significance. There are a number of Wiki references, including in lists, which seem to be begging for a minor or major page. This is a beginning to which I hope to add more, and hope others will as well.Dewobroto 16:33, 13 March 2007(UTC)

Hi, For articles where the notability is arguable, it's probably best to create the article in its entirety (or at least in more detail than currently) before going live on Wiki, rather than building it piecemeal. It may well be that this company is notable, but that's not apparent or asserted in the present article. Regards StuartDouglas 16:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, point taken. Unfortunately, it would never have been started then. Hopefully it will survive long enough to be filled out....most of the articles that link to it are long, incomprehensible gibberish, and I'd like to see something understandable as well. If I wrote out a careful article first, I'd probably be publishing... (Note: The Japanese page has a longer structure, but little detail. I will gradually mine it for reliable info, but my Japanese is far from perfect.)Dewobroto 16:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, if you assert plausible notability, even if some editors might see that notability as unlikely or implausible, then the article would no longer be eligible for a speedy deletion under Db-corp, but would at worst go to AfD where you would have more time to bulk it out. The problem is that, if you can only go this far with the article and no-one has ever bothered to create even this much in the past, what likelihood is there that the article will ever get beyond its current status? StuartDouglas 16:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right, should at least use clearer language....I thought I had indeed asserted notability of this institution. This institution is important. The article as it stands at this moment does have substantially more content than a number of "stubs" which also do hold some info and survive for months or more, but frankly, mining for information about 1 of the 4 priniciple "development" arms of the Japanese colonial state (or so Mr. Gunn asserts based on an article by Yanagisawa in 1940 which I should have buried in a pile of papers somewhere here in my room) does take more than a few minutes. BTW, I did not state I could only go this far, I said I intended to add to this entry, so it will improve in stages (and already has a little since your response which followed my comment by a full 5 minutes). Many thanks for the pointer, and hopefully it will go through a slower review procedure.Dewobroto 17:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability seems established to me now, so I have removed the deletion notice. It's perhaps one of ther weaknesses of Wikipedia that it relies so heavily on internet verification and so older, less obviously internet friendly articles can be tagged for deletion and it's hard for the edtior to poresent a Wiki friendly justification for keeping them. StuartDouglas 22:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A fair amount of information is available in a number of writings by Mark Peattie, with smaller pieces of information in works by Goto Ken'ichi and Henry Frei. At present I have only two articles in hand, and those use the book written by Matsue in the 1930s--but Peattie's usage varies from the recollections of a friend, and so it will require a little more checking before I integrate data. If anyone has the books, in particular, of Frei (Australia...) and Peattie (Nanyo), please go ahead and add information as those are presumably well researched. Besides being the dominant co. in Micronesia, Matsue and perhaps Nanko were infolved in consructing naval airfields during the war (Goto, citation yet to be examined).Dewobroto 18:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]