Talk:Na Lani ʻEhā

DYK

Potential DYK hooks:

• ... that Na Lani ‘Ehā mentored talent in the Kingdom of Hawaii, and were in turn mentored by Royal Hawaiian bandmaster Henri Berger?

Source 1 "they were not only generous patrons of Hawaiian arts throughout the years of the Kalakaua Dynasty, but also accomplished lyricists and composers. With Heinrich "Henri" Berger, bandmaster of the Royal Hawaiian Band, as their mentor and oft-times collaborator"

I suggest a more Polyensian/Native Hawaiian focused hook since it is for May. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you can help think of one. With DYK rules, it's a bit difficult to come up with a brief hook that mentions them, while at the same linking a source in the nomination template. — Maile (talk) 02:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

• ... that the Hawaiian Music Hall of Fame believes Na Lani ‘Ehā were progenitors of 19th and 20th century Hawaiian music?

Source: 2 "Were it not for the dynamic cultural leadership and personal contributions of Na Lani 'Ehā (The Royal Four) in encouraging and supporting aspiring composers, singers, instrumentalists, dancers, chanters and poets, Hawai'i's significant musical contributions to the world might never have happened."

That one works for me. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Unused sources

• https://www.newspapers.com/clip/48035075/kawaihau-serenaders/ Kawaihau Serenanders sang as Likelike left for San Francisco

I have incorporated the name and source into the article. — Maile (talk) 10:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Moving to main space

@KAVEBEAR: since you created this draft, I'll leave it up to you to move it to main space, whenever you think it's ready. We have a few weeks to play with. And DYK seems a little slow on reviews recently . — Maile (talk) 20:04, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the Hawaiian Music Hall of Fame honors Na Lani ʻEhā as progenitors of 19th and 20th century Hawaiian music? Source: 2 "Were it not for the dynamic cultural leadership and personal contributions of Na Lani ʻEhā (The Royal Four) in encouraging and supporting aspiring composers, singers, instrumentalists, dancers, chanters and poets, Hawai'i's significant musical contributions to the world might never have happened."

• Reviewed: Edwin Flack
• Comment: SPECIAL HOLD DATE: May (Asian Pacific American Heritage Month)

Created/expanded by Maile66 (talk) and KAVEBEAR (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 05:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC).

• Interesting hook, but the word "progenitor" never appears in the source. I'll review the rest of the article once this is addressed. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

• Generally speaking, we try to avoid plagiarism, and be a little original in our phrasing. From the online Dictionary.com, 1 one of the many varied definitions of "progenitor" is "a person or thing that first indicates a direction, originates something, or serves as a model; predecessor; precursor:" I believe that is what the source is saying in different words, "the dynamic cultural leadership and personal contributions." who, as role models, saved Hawaiian music so it could flourish as it does today. — Maile (talk) 20:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

• Interesting hook, long enough, new enough, well cited, neutral, no copyvio issues, QPQ done... good to go. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see 19th and 20th century Hawaiian music explicitly referenced in the description of the Hall of Fame, just Hawaiian music. Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

• How about just a simple fix? Stating exactly what is stated in the article. See ALT hook. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the Hawaiian Music Hall of Fame honors Na Lani ʻEhā as progenitors of the music and arts culture that Hawaii has come to be known for?

• Great idea! Restoring tick for ALT1 per Nice4What's review. Yoninah (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Na Lani ʻEhā/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 05:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Starting review. Hope to have some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 05:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Maile66: Pinging to be on the lookout as well. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

1. GACR#1a. Well written: the prose is clear, concise and understandable.
2. GACR#1a. Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
3. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
4. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
5. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch.
6. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
7. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation.
8. GACR#2a. Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
9. GACR#2b. All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
10. GACR#2b. All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
11. GACR#2b. All quotations are cited and their usage complies with MOS guidelines.
12. GACR#2c. No original research.
13. GACR#2d. No copyright violations or plagiarism.
14. GACR#3. Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
15. GACR#4. Neutral (NPOV).
16. GACR#5. Stable.
17. GACR#6a. Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright.
18. GACR#6b. Images are relevant to the topic with appropriate captions.

I'll be using the checklist above to register progress. No Great Shaker (talk) 06:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments and questions

• There is nothing in the lead to indicate the period when the four were active so I would include their dates after each name in the first sentence.

• Done by reviewer.

• Likelike is overlinked in the lead.

• Changed.

• Terms like glee club and hula should be linked in the lead and on first use in the narrative.

• Changed.

• He was believed to have been one of the most talented of the family. As there were only four, "one of" looks out of place. Unless he was widely recognised as THE most talented, I would remove the entire sentence.

• Changed.

• Use of religious conservatives in the lead may not be the correct terminology because the Presbyterians and whatnot only arrived half a century earlier. A "conservative" is something long-standing so maybe a word like "bigots", "zealots", "reactionaries" or similar would be better.

• Changed.

• After her ascension to the throne upon her brother's death. Again, the year (1891) would be useful here for the sense of period.

• Changed.

• In the terminology section (which is very useful, btw), link "lani" to Lani (heaven) and "akua" to Atua.

• Changed.

• The two entries in the table with links to lists were confusing at first sight without sentence breaks and something like a "see also" is useful.

• Is this just a comment?

• No need for commas in "one newspaper to call him, Honolulu's Beau Brummell" or in "celebrated Hawaiian culture, was at".

• Changed.

• Is "luau" the same as lūʻau? If so, it should be written Hawaiian style and linked.

• Changed.

• His actions inspired the reawakening of Hawaiian pride and nationalism for the kingdom. "For the kingdom" is unnecessary because of "Hawaiian" so best to end the sentence after "nationalism".

• Changed.

• Italicised aka.

• Changed.

• Link "meles" to Mele (Hawaiian term).

• Changed.

• Link Joseph Dwight Strong.

• Changed.

• As you have linked ukulele, same needed for all instruments (e.g., guitar).

• Seem others are more common terms.

• In the Kaohuokalani Singing Club section, merge the two paragraphs as the second is a single sentence.

• Changed.

• "His star performer" should be: "The star performer".

• Changed.

• "Upon the king's 1891 death" should be: "Upon the king's death in 1891".

• Changed.

• Add (1844–1929) after Berger's name in the mentorship section.

• Changed.

• Add (Hawaii's Own) after "The song later became Hawaii's anthem "Hawaiʻi Ponoʻī".

• Changed.

• Berger became a historian for traditional Hawaiian music of its day. Should that be "his day"? If not, end the sentence after "music".

• Changed.

• "Their aggregate body". Change to "The siblings' aggregate body".

• Changed.

• Need a citation, probably the Troutman one again, after "numerous groups throughout the kingdom".

• Changed.

On hold

I think this is nearly there as the comments above are generally about tying up loose ends, especially things like linkage. I'm placing the review on hold for seven days. Please let me know when you have finished updating and I'll be happy to read it again. It's a very interesting article and heartening to know that Hawaiian culture overcame religious dogma and prejudice. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@No Great Shaker and Maile66: Addressed everything. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Passed

I just needed to add the dates in the lead. This is good to go now so I'm promoting it. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)