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A fact from Myvanwy Rhys appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Oxford suffragist Myvanwy Rhys earned first-class honours from Newnham College, Cambridge, but was denied a degree?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Myvanwy Rhys.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Polyamorph talk 12:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Oxford suffragist Myvanwy Rhys presented a bouquet of irises to Millicent Fawcett at the Royal Albert Hall? Source: "She was one of the delegation who carried the OWSS banner to London in 1908, and presented a bouquet of irises to Millicent Fawcett at the Albert Hall." https://www.firstwomenatoxford.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/owcah/documents/media/oxford_suffrage_women_.pdf (p.11 in pdf reader)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Firth

Created by Manxshearwater (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 100 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - I’m concerned the hook may not be legible to many readers; I am reasonably interested in related topics and still had not heard of Millicent Fawcett, and the entry does not explain.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for nominating this interesting and worthy entry! If I could make one general recommendation for making this important topic more accessible to the non-specialist reader, I think regardless of the hook, the entry could benefit from a few words explaining who Fawcett was, and likewise to explain what the Bangor dispute was (currently it’s a bit mysterious). As to the hook, I wonder if it would be more interesting to say something like:

ALT1 ... that Oxford suffragist Myvanwy Rhys earned first-class honours from Newnham College, Cambridge, but was denied a degree?

Tell me what you think. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much Innisfree987 - these are all great points. I hope @Manxshearwater: can expand the points in the article. As for the ALT - I think that's much better, thank you for coming up with it, I've scratched the top one Lajmmoore (talk) 06:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wonderful! @Manxshearwater: maybe you could just ping me once you’ve had a chance to look and then I’ll tick off the nomination? It doesn’t need to be anything elaborate, just another half sentence’s explanation would be plenty I think—I’m almost tempted to do it myself but it would be much better if someone familiar with the topic did! Thank you both, I enjoyed learning about Rhys! Innisfree987 (talk) 06:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Innisfree987: @Lajmmoore: Thanks, great points and I have added some info on Fawcett and on the Bangor dispute so hopefully that helps! Happy with the nomination and I think the alt hook is great. Glad you enjoyed learning about her too! Manxshearwater (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you both for such quick responses—good to go! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Innisfree987: It looks like the DYK bot didn't pick up the approved green tick. If it is approved, please re-add it below, using this code: {{subst:DYKyes}}. Z1720 (talk) 00:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that’s strange. Ok I’m going to sign here but add the tick again on the next line, hope it’ll work this time. Innisfree987 (talk) 06:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name?

Myf... or Myv... ? Rhŷs or Rhys?

At present the article title uses Rhys, but she is referred to as Rhŷs. Was this because the article was accidentally created at the simplified spelling? Wikipedia article titles can include diacriticals. If she is going to get the exposure of being a DYK, there should be more consistency on this: should the article be moved, or will that mess up the DYK nomination as showing instability or confusing the templates? As to "f" or "v" ... sources seem to differ, and our article is inconsistent ("f" in "Personal life"). PamD 23:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manxshearwater what do you think? My impression is that she was born as Myfanwy Rhŷs in Rhyl and died as Myvanwy Rhys in Oxford, so Myvanwy Rhys is a reasonable title. Although sources differ, we should be consistent. Her archive is at https://archives.library.wales/index.php/myvanwy-rhys.

For DYK we can move the article if necessary and change the link for the front page, but the nomination page should not be moved. TSventon (talk) 00:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PamD @TSventon Apologies for the mix up here! She was born Myfanwy Rhŷs so there should be a diacritical there but not sure what happened so I think that should be changed. I submitted it for AfC and it might have been removed by someone else in the process of creation. Both Myfanwy and Myvanwy were used for her across her life and in multiple sources I came across when writing the page. The given name is generally spelled as Myfanwy (pronounced as "Myvanwy"). Perhaps it might be a better idea to spell it Myfanwy for general consistency and to add Myvanwy as an alternative name on there? I am happy with either. Manxshearwater (talk) 10:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The archive page is interesting: definitely spells her as Rhys without the accent, while referring to her father with accent, but uses both "f" and "v"! We just need to be consistent, and mention both forms of each, and have redirects from the 3 other versions. PamD 12:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]