Talk:Music of Mexico/Archive 1

Archive 1

No African Influence in Mexican Music Whatsoever, Apparently

Indigenous and European influences are credited, I see, but not African. Whether speaking of Son Jarocho, cumbia or rock, these music styles are either African in origins or have high degrees of African influence. Even music styles later adapted by Mexican-Americans were influenced by genres such as Big Band music, Blues, Jazz, Rock n roll, etc. Richie Valens is a prime example of this; his singing style borrowed heavily from African-American music sounds and styles of vocalization. Why not include African as being a source of influence?

Erroneous information

Erroneous information:

In the "Music of Mexico" section, some erroneous information needs to be addressed.

• El Gran Silencio has nothing to do with "cumbia" rhythm.
• Removing bands which were/are very popular/influential
• Inclusion of Selena/Kumbia Kings may not be very accurate, since these artist fall under Tejano music.
• Giving links to a particular artist seems unbiased
• Removing links to a page which is about a very popular genre which is part of the Mexican music culture.

As an extra note, I recommend more research on this subject before removing/editing information which was corrected. Including only artist that are media hype and omiting those who have been influential, yet not presently popularly known (media-wise), gives way to incorrect and dishonest information. Jose Valentin Quintero 17:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

And you are welcome to clean this article, however, you cannot just arbitrarily delete information without justifying your deletes, and you cannot disregard already existing links!

El Gran Silencio may not be cumbia, but it is Mexican music. Don't erase it, simply move it where it belongs.

Bands which were/are popular and influential may be added, but not at the expense of OTHER bands that ALSO where popular and influential. We are not trying to promote one band over another; we are trying to be complete and encyclopedic.

I agree on the Selena/Kumbia Kings, however, some of their music has influences/was composed using Mexican music, and thus deserves a menction: at the very least a subsection.

Giving links to a particular artists is unbiased, but you cannot remove the link to one and replace it with another. Be inclusive.

You are welcome to bring in your edits, but don't do it at the expense of otherwise valid information. Hari Seldon 21:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

No website link was removed at the expense of another. If you look closely, a link to one website is placed TWICE...I believe this is unescessary. If we shouldn't delete links or names of bands at the expense of others, then you could have then included what was placed (by me), and re-included what you consider important. As you say, this is evolving information and will be edited as needed by many other users. And, if we needed to place a certain singer/band on its appropiate category, then having not done so doesn't imply that it wouldn't be done in the near future. I prefer temporarily omiting erroneous or misleading information than having it publicized as correct. This wikipedia is work in progress. But don't get irritated when someone corrects you. In that case, I could have included Pete Astudillo in that category rather than say, El Gran Silencio. Cheers. Jose Valentin Quintero 22:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, go ahead, do your edits. Remember to provide reliable sources. Hari Seldon 00:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Clean up request

Hello. This article needed some cleanup because of:

Some Clean up

Sorry but I had to erase duranguense's part, because that info was erroneous and was plagued with insults. --Ferz5 (talk) 05:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

what it do

• Messy organization and outline
• Facts about norteno that were mentioned more than once
• Typos
• Stresses mariachi too much, as banda and norteno need to be mentioned (they're the most popular type of music among many Mexicans, like rock among Americans)
• Introdution is actually something about maricahi, which is NOT an intro to the various styles of Mexican music

I cleaned this up, hope it'll be better. - Stevey7788 01:09, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It looks much improved! Tuf-Kat 22:26, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

We also need to do something about the Mexican son section, which is taking over the ToC and has mainly two-sentence paragraphs. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Elevation of Quality required

This article has no sources, at all... A serious overhaul of the article is needed. Hari Seldon 10:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

more emphansis on ranchero require. Ranchero is not part of norteño or banda..It is a lot, lot, lot, lot better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.123.80.118 (talk • contribs)

Change in article

About a year ago this article stressed mariachi and its related genres WAY too heavily, and the whole article almost never mentioned norteno, banda, duranguense, etc. Now it just disappeared. We need a little bit of balance here. — Stevey7788 (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I would still say to put a heavy emphasis on norteno, banda, duranguense, etc. because that's what most Mexicans actually listen to, and few people in Mexico actually listen to mariachi all the time, and Mexican Americans in the US don't really listen a lot to Mexican rock and pop like Selena, Luis Miguel, Ricky Martin, etc. Mexican pop/rock is mainly popular in middle and upper class chilangos - Mexico City residents. — Stevey7788 (talk) 16:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

This information is incorrect

Hello!! In mi opinion, i think that this information can`t be correct, because I´m mexican and i know my city´s music. I hope that you change this information for that when we´re surfing in the internet, we down or download correct information. That´s all, Thanks --------Ismael Ortega Ostria------------- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ismael yes (talk • contribs) 08:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect

The other day I was reading this article and i think that it doesn't have enough information, and many things aren't true...

Victor Manuel S. S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XxzxXxzxX (talk • contribs) 03:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Wrong information

I agree. The information is wrong, in Mexico there are other kinds of music, but those that you mention in this article. I suggest you that check the information first and then make the corrections please.

NijiMichelle —Preceding unsigned comment added by NijiMichelle (talk • contribs) 04:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

lines have no sense

someone edited the article and added this useless info, and no one noticed it... or this info is right?

Mexico has bands like transmetal, the chasm, postnecrum, ALFA ERIDANO AKHERNAR etc.

Transmetal is a thrash metal/death metal band formed in Mexico City, Mexico in 1987.[1][2]

The group began in 1985, when Javier Partida and Juan Partida started to give life to their dreams - to have a heavy metal band. After some months in preparation the new group debuted in a small rock café.

Cenotaph Mexican death metal band of generally reasonable quality that has shifted styles from brutal rudimentary death metal to more melodic, At the Gates-y stuff. It's pretty cheesy but reasonable for these styles.

Cenotaph have developed brilliantly a national sound for Mexico in a pungent mix of the heavier, guttural, chugging, syncopated American sounds that bonds guitar bash to drum abuse under the aegis of a barfing vocal style noone can comprehend, infused with homegrown technique and a tendency toward melodic songwriting like a European band.

The murky malevolence of this music is unchecked by a need for demonstration and instead it plows forward with unwrapping layers of texture which suggest more than a superstitious prediction of boundary, this music suggests a position of setting and a nihilistic journey of observation. Its values are not self-pity, nor are they purely anger, but a mixture of self-reflection and negativity in the context of imagination of change.

I don't think so, because I'm mexican and I don't recognize those artists, even the last two paragraphs had bad writing, I don't delete it personally because I'm not registered --189.129.131.176 (talk) 03:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

JOSE LACSE A,MAND,R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.54.211 (talk) 23:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources?

This article has few, if any, legitimate sources. I clicked on the first "reference" and it led me to a "Latin Music Fan Site" that provided no information, just a page with a request for email address and name. Though I think some of this information is true, where is coming from?!? I hope the author of this is not just pulling information from the sky and trying to make the article "look accurate". Without sources, I am just going to assume the majority of this information is false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.135.92.17 (talk) 05:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

mariachi

what the hell happened to mariachi music! This article sucks, it left out a lot of other mexican music styles found in the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.85.219 (talk) 03:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Italics

Please clean up the most blatant error, which is that the title is printed in italics. 140.247.245.40 (talk) 03:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

It has been proposed to merge Traditional genres of Mexican music into this article since 2009. I agree with this merge. Any other thoughts? --KarlB (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I would just redirect it to this article. It is pretty well covered under tradition folk music. AIRcorn (talk) 06:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and reorganized the page and merged content from the Traditional genres of Mexican music article to here. The page now redirects here. WTF? (talk) 03:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hip-Hop

Mexico has the biggest hip-hop scene of all spanish speaking countries. Bands like Control Machete, Cartel de Santa and Caballeros del Plan G should be added to the article.--Rivet138 (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)