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Article POV and tone

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This article needs copyediting, because at the moment it reads like a promotional piece in places and a fanzine in others. For example, "the scene is vibrant... thriving... more alive than ever" and there's a reference to "infamous screamo merchants Jarcrew". I accept that these quotes are cited, but that does not make them encyclopedic. At the very least, POV should be attributed and the article should be written in a more impartial tone.--Pondle (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It says that the scene has been described as, not is. I will attribute this, and remove your templates. Welshleprechaun (talk) 17:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the cleanup template should not be used for just one issue such as POV problems. It should be used when there are numerous issues. Welshleprechaun (talk) 17:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There was another issue beside POV - as I pointed out, some of the fanzine-style language was simply unencyclopedic. "Has been described as" is an example of weasel words; surely the article should start with a factual, rather than promotional statement? Part of the problem is that a promotional website[1] is being quoted verbatim; there is nothing wrong with citing it but promotional phrases should be avoided. I will see what I can to improve things.--Pondle (talk) 20:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weasel words are ambiguous, whereas the source is clearly mentioned in this article. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you could be more specific by pointing out here what phrases are bothering you so we may address them. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The whole article probably needs a damn good copy edit/rewrite. I am also not keen on the name of the article, I prefer Music of Cardiff, as with other articles, such as Music of Chicago, Music of New York City and Music of New Orleans...only a suggestion though. Seth Whales (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is getting better but still needs work. The lead should follow WP:LEAD in defining the subject and summarising the article. The first sentence should establish what the article is about - i.e. the acts, venues, and genres of music comprising the Cardiff music scene - rather than simply reporting praise. Material that has been quoted verbatim from references needs to be rewritten to avoid WP:COPYVIO, and to remove the remaining promotional tone and music journalese ("80s indie staples" etc etc.)--Pondle (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would also prefer moving this page to Music of Cardiff as Seth suggests, as this seems to be the convention for other such pages - if there are no objections I will go ahead and do this (unless someone beats me to it!). I've made a few changes to the page, mostly heading changes. I've tagged the opening sentence, although I would prefer to have this rewritten to remove the promotional tone regardless of whether it can be referenced or not. This article has certainly improved since I last edited this back in 2008, but there are still parts which read like a promo rather than a encyclopaedic article. For example, in the 2000s section I came across a reference to a band "dropping" an album! Bettia (talk) 11:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved --> Music of Cardiff. I've also adapted the intro a bit. However instead of just complaining about the state of the article, might I suggest helping to address these issues, as it seems to be just me working on it. Welshleprechaun (talk) 18:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you Welshleprechaun...well said. I will do my best in the future. Seth Whales (talk) 19:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sorry about that. I've been rather busy elsewhere lately. Bettia (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That probably came out wrong. Of course no-one has any obligation to edit anything, but I mean that in the time spent writing on the talk page what's wrong with the article, asking other editors to intervene on such basic problems, and making a mountain out of a molehill, the problems in the article could be sorted out without even needing the talk page. That's certainly what I try to do anyway. Pondle, maybe you could adapt a similar style. You probably waste more time writing on talk pages saying how bad a state the article is in, which WP policies and guidelines it violates etc, holding long unnecessary discussions on talk pages and bothering other editors, whereas it would take less than 3 minutes to sort out this article. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is a collaborative process, so I don't know why you're concerned about me "bothering other editors" (as you put it). I figured that Seth and Bettia may not be aware of the article, but - given their local knowledge and excellent rep as Wikipedians - they may be to make a positive contribution to improving it. Personally, I know relatively little about the Cardiff music scene. Editors who are clued up about the subject and have access to sources are best placed to take the lead in developing the article. I had a range of concerns about the old version, which I raised (perfectly legitimately) on the talk page. You asked me to be more specific and point out the specific things that were bothering me, which I also did. As a result of all this the article is improving, which is good. Discussion isn't something to be resented - it's a normal, worthwhile part of improving the Wikipedia.--Pondle (talk) 23:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't deny the importance of discussion. However, the way the problems of the article were listed on the talk page without adressing them seems like getting other people to do one's dirty work. It does not require special knowledge to tackle stylistic problems. Welshleprechaun (talk) 11:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

incorrect

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manic street preachers are from blackwood, feeder are from newport and stereophonics are from aberdare. though they're all near cardiff, they arent cardiff bands — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.24.136.251 (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They may not actually be from CArdiff, but they are considered part of the Cardiff music scene which why they've been included here. However, I've just noticed some of the references on this article are dead so they need replacing. ~~ Bettia ~~ talk 11:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Budgie

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There is way too little Budgie on this page, and in fact they're only mentioned on the list of bands. They were one of the most influential bands in heavy metal and influenced a lot of big time bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica and Van Halen and more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C0:8201:64EC:8425:49A2:7570:628F (talk) 22:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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