Talk:Music of Artsakh

Proposed deletion

I believe in order to solve this deletion issue, it should be merged with music of armenia since their cultures are both similar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.197.46 (talk) 01:31, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

not quite, as region is disputed between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Morevoer, there is not even any evidence that there is any specific music of Nagorno-Karabakh.--Smerus (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

On the contrary, there was some content along those lines, until it was deleted in 2013. I have reinstated it. – Fayenatic London 18:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

There is probably a case for keeping this article, though the current content is very low grade, and most of any content is always going to be centered on Shushi so could arguably be better placed there. There needs to be some hard content rather than unsupported irredentist claims like ""cradle of Azerbaijani music". The content on this article when first created had much more content, but it was copypasted material taken from the Azeri propaganda magazine Azerbaijan International. Given its institutionalised one-sidedness, there are serious undue weight issues using material only from that source, even if it were to be properly cited and rewritten to remove copyright issues. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 13:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)\

Well then, now that more stuff has been added, I guess deletion won't be needed anymore :)

Tiptoethrutheminefield, Smerus after the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, this article is only going to either serve Azeri propaganda or be a scene for nationalist edit warring, it failed to improve over 5 years since last talk page discussion, hence I see no justification for keeping it. --Armatura (talk) 10:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Dear Sdrqaz when one removes a deletion proposal, one has to provide more than just a contradicting statement, definitely more than "there is more than enough context here" as you have done here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Music_of_Artsakh&type=revision&diff=1042397960&oldid=1042314976 What is the context and what is the content of this article that's worth preserving in its current state? The lede "Nagorno Karabakh is a landlocked region in the South Caucasus. The region is recognised by the United Nations as a part of Azerbaijan." tells us a one sided skewed, filtered view on Nagorno Karabakh geopolitics, without even addressing the subject. The second sentence "Many Azerbaijani musicians trace their origins to this region. Shusha, a small city in the western region of Artsakh, has long been considered one of the music centers of Azerbaijan, known as the "Conservatory of the Caucasus" serves promotions of the city as cultural "centre of Azerbaijan" ignoring the fact that city was populated by Armenians for the last 100 years till 2021 war. The third sentence "Amongst the musicians that can trace their origins or families from Artsakh are Uzeyir Hajibeyov (the founder of classical music of Azerbaijan), Bulbul and Polad Bülbüloğlu, the Armenian singer André." simply serves as a directory, something that can be done by adding a category to the relevant artists. The article has been created in 2008 and failed to become anything meaningful, failing even the criteria for a reasonable stub. How do you justify its existence when you remove the deletion proposal, without even allowing one of the article creators to open a deletion contesting discussion? Best wishes --Armatura (talk) 10:10, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Armatura, CSD is for narrow circumstances. If we look at the text of the A1 speedy deletion criterion:

This applies to articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Example: "He is a funny man with a red car. He makes people laugh." It applies only to very short articles. Note that context is different from content, treated in A3. This excludes coherent non-English material, and poorly translated material. If any information in the title or on the page, including links, allows an editor, possibly with the aid of a web search, to find further information on the subject in an attempt to expand or edit it, A1 is not appropriate ...

Even if there weren't any text in the article, the title alone would be sufficient to ward off A1 (see the sixth sentence). Going off the title ("Music of Artsakh"), a quick Google search would tell us that Artsakh is a place in Transcaucasia, and music is, well, music. Armed with that information, you could write an article on the traditional music of that region, the modern music of that region, the musicians coming from that region, etc. The page is not "very short" either.

In response to "How do you justify its existence when you remove the deletion proposal, without even allowing one of the article creators to open a deletion contesting discussion?", I removed the CSD tag because it did not meet the requirements of that criterion. I am not making a judgement on whether the article should exist; I am making a judgement on whether it meets the criterion. CSD does not have to wait for a creator to open a discussion. Any administrator can delete a tagged page if it meets the requirements. Usually when I decline a CSD nomination, I tell the tagger to either PROD it or take it to AfD. However, since a PROD has already been declined previously, if you want this page deleted you need to go to AfD. I would say, however, that much of what you're saying seems to be taking issue with the article's contents rather than whether this topic is suitable for Wikipedia. It sounds more like you want to rewrite it. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:30, 6 September 2021 (UTC)