Talk:Murree

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Henry Lawrence

My dear friends, hello. I have made some amendments in the History portion re Sir Henry Lawrence and added some more infornmation about the early foundation of Murree. Reg Sir Henry Lawrence, I have noticed this in some other articles related to the early Punjab tyhat people tend to keep ref to him as 'Governor of the Punjab' (have fixed some of these in other places too) -- now, in fact, after the Treaty of Bhairowal, 1846, Sir Henry Lawrence was British Resident in Punjab at the court of the minor Maharaja Dilip Singh and after the 2nd Anglo-Sikh War he became President of the Board of Administration for the Punjab, on annexation c 1849 to 1853. He was then transfered by Lord Dalhousie, Governor-General and his younger brother, John Lawrence (later Lord Lawrence of the Punjab) became the Chief Commissioner of this new province of British India (1853-59) and then, very briefly, the first Lieutenant-Governor of the Punjab (Feb 1859) before retiring to England. He was followed by Sir Robert Montgomery as the 2nd Lieutenant-Governor. Meanwhile, Sir Henry Lawrence had died at the Defence of Lucknow, July 1857 (Indian Mutiny/Rebellion/War of Independence, according to your point of view). I hope this is useful! Khani100 (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Khani100[reply]

In addition to the above, have also made some other minor changes and editorial amendments, and sorted out some problems witht he textual information and its verifiability and atendant standards. Please, would be very grateful if (a) various blogsites and/or websites of dubious nature and provennace, run and managed by local people in Pakistan and/or prmoting a slanted and biased view of history, shouldnt be cited. Thanks Khani100 (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Khani100[reply]

translation into Chinese Wikipedia

The 17:28, 6 April 2012‎ Smsarmad version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 12:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

An English-language source that can be used for this article is here.
Some Urdu-language sources are mentioned in this post in the talk archive. — Scott • talk 10:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also the Imperial Gazetteer of India [1].
The EB1911 article for Murree hasn't hit Wikisource yet, but it's volume 19, page 42. Some text from it has definitely been used in the article, which I need to identify.
This news article talks about the Murree climate. — Scott • talk 14:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A collection of first hand accounts from (mainly US citizens?) in the area. Looks fascinating.

Seaman, Paul Asbury (1996). Far Above the Plain: Private Profiles and Admissable Evidence from the First Forty Years of Murree Christian School, Pakistan, 1956-1996. William Carey Library.

Geology of the area, in depth, tricky to transliterate this stuff!

Geological Survey Professional Paper, Volume 716. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1972.

Haven't found much else of use. Hope this helps, Scott. -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 19:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks! — Scott • talk 14:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Climate data

I'm moving this in here for safe keeping, for lack of a better place. As the article also has a climate chart in it this data seems redundant. — Scott • talk 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Climate data for Muree
Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Record high °C (°F)	17.2 (63.0)	19.8 (67.6)	23.0 (73.4)	26.0 (78.8)	32.0 (89.6)	32.2 (90.0)	31.7 (89.1)	27.2 (81.0)	25.6 (78.1)	25.0 (77.0)	22.3 (72.1)	21.1 (70.0)	32.2 (90.0)
Mean daily maximum °C (°F)	7.2 (45.0)	7.5 (45.5)	11.6 (52.9)	17.2 (63.0)	21.7 (71.1)	25.1 (77.2)	22.4 (72.3)	21.4 (70.5)	20.9 (69.6)	18.6 (65.5)	14.5 (58.1)	10.2 (50.4)	16.5 (61.8)
Daily mean °C (°F)	3.7 (38.7)	4.0 (39.2)	8.0 (46.4)	13.2 (55.8)	17.3 (63.1)	20.6 (69.1)	19.1 (66.4)	18.4 (65.1)	17.2 (63.0)	14.3 (57.7)	10.3 (50.5)	6.3 (43.3)	12.7 (54.9)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F)	0.1 (32.2)	0.5 (32.9)	4.3 (39.7)	9.1 (48.4)	12.8 (55.0)	16.1 (61.0)	15.7 (60.3)	15.4 (59.7)	13.4 (56.1)	10.1 (50.2)	6.2 (43.2)	2.4 (36.3)	8.8 (47.9)
Record low °C (°F)	−8.4 (16.9)	−10.6 (12.9)	−7 (19)	−3.3 (26.1)	0.6 (33.1)	3.6 (38.5)	8.9 (48.0)	10.0 (50.0)	6.0 (42.8)	1.1 (34.0)	−3.3 (26.1)	−10.5 (13.1)	−10.6 (12.9)
Average precipitation mm (inches)	126.5 (4.98)	145.0 (5.71)	176.8 (6.96)	133.0 (5.24)	91.9 (3.62)	130.3 (5.13)	339.3 (13.36)	326.3 (12.85)	146.5 (5.77)	70.2 (2.76)	32.5 (1.28)	70.3 (2.77)	1,788.6 (70.43)
Source: NOAA (1961-1990) ^[1]

References

^ "Murree Climate Normals 1961-1990". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved January 16, 2013.

Tribes

The main tribes of Murree are the Dhund Abbasi, Abbasi. Other tribes are the Karlal, gujjars, Syeds, Sheikhs, Khawajas, Kethwal Rajputs, the Dhanyals, Awans, Jasgam, Satti, Baig, Quraysh (tribe), Mirza, Mengiral Rajput Jats, Kashmiri, Balti, and Barlas.

I'm taking this out as it's completely unreferenced, and the sort of thing that causes edit wars between anonymous visitors. Please don't put it back unless you can provide a source for the information. — Scott • talk 14:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Mall

in the article the following statement is made " Until 1947, access to Mall Road was restricted for "natives" (non-Europeans)."

this is not correct. I spent two summers and one winter in Moray between 1941 and 1942. as an English person I often went up the Mall and I remember going with my mother up the Mall to shop. if you meant that natives were not allowed in the mall I suggest you reword the entry. 62.164.133.66 (talk) 17:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change to region

@JaanbazAli: The article used to say that Murree is "in the Galyat region of the Pir Panjal Range", but you've changed it to say "in the Pothowar region of the Pir Panjal Range", linking the word "Pothowar" to Pothohar Plateau. The plateau is south of Islamabad. Murree is to the northeast of Islamabad.

There are many websites in Pakistan (for example this one) that say things like "the Galiyat area which borders NWFP and Punjab, starting at Murree and ending at Thandiani".

I've returned the article to how it was, again. Before you change the text again, you need to discuss it here, on this page. Can you link to any website or document or map that supports your change? — Scott • talk 19:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[NOAA-1] "Murree Climate Normals 1961-1990". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved January 16, 2013.

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