Talk:Murders of Jourdan Bobbish and Jacob Kudla

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Hate crime?

Nothing that was provided in the article seemed to indicate the murders were a hate crime, so I have removed the category. Cyrus the Penner (talk) 22:13, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only time hate crime should come in play is when there is local sympathy for or fear of the perpetrators and/or disdain or lack of sympathy for the victims that blocks successful prosecution of the actual crimes, as happened frequently in jurisdictions that were in fear or support of the Ku Klux Klan. The 2007 murders of Channon Christon and Christopher Newsom in Knoxville and the similar 2012 murders of Jourdan Bobbish and Jacob Kudla in Detroit were successfully prosecuted as murders based on evidence establishing the guilt of the perpetrators beyond a reasonable doubt, and with no significant local prejudice either for the perpetrators or against the victims.--Naaman Brown (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]