Talk:Muhammad Musa (general)

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Please see if u can break the article into parts.That way its reasonable--Chatni 09:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio?

I am concerned that all or part is copyvio. See for eaxmple http://ghazali.net/book1/body_chapter_9.htm. " However, the Baluchistan High Court restored the assembly amid public condemnation of Governor's move that was believed to be taken with the consent of the President and Prime Minister." Rich Farmbrough 18:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And http://www.defencejournal.com/july98/1965war.htm "Broadly the plan envisaged, on a short-term basis, sabotage of military targets, disruptions of communications, etc. and, as a long-term measure, distribution of arms to the people of occupied Kashmir and initiation of a guerrilla movement there with a view to starting an uprising in the valley eventually. The push towards Akhnur was not part of it. However, it was considered as one of the likely operations that we might have to undertake, as we felt our activities would have an escalating effect." Which in turn may a quote from Musa. Rich Farmbrough 18:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

General Musa

The previous version was more about Operation Gibraltor and War then about General Musa. It was less relevant.

Orphaned references in Muhammad Musa

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Muhammad Musa's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Partridge Publishing":

From Yahya Khan: Bhattacharya, IA, Brigadier (retd.) Samir (2013). Nothing But! Book Three: What Price Freedom. New Delhi India: Partridge Publishing. ISBN 978-1482816259.
From Gul Hassan Khan: Bhattacharya, Brigadier Samir (2013-11-12). NOTHING BUT!. Partridge Publishing. pp. 488–489. ISBN 9781482814767. Retrieved 2 September 2016.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:19, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quoted section needs attribution

There's a paragraph in the "Post-1965 war" section here that appears to be part of a newspaper story, though that's not well expressed at all. The paragraph starts with "The loser in the final analysis was Pakistan, described so feelingly by General K.M. Arif in an analysis carried by "Daily Dawn", 6 September 1990."

I don't know how to resolve / format / credit /punctuate this. A quick google didn't turn up the actual source. Can someone sort this out? Thank you. Jessicapierce (talk) 19:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Inaccuracies and POV

I am finding numerous inaccuracies, unsourced staements and distortions in this article. Some examples:

In 1950s, Musa Khan earned reputation as being respected in the officer corps for professional competence, commanding the military formations throughout the country as officer commanding.^[1]

But the source says:

Yahya unlike Musa was respected in the officer corps for professional competence.

In 1964, he became aware ... and presented views against the operation due to no linkage between the covert actions and the conventional backup.^[2]^[3]

The first source says:

... a plan that field marshal-turned-president Ayub Khan and his selected Commander in Chief (C-in-C) Musa Khan swallowed hook, line and sinker.

The second source says:

In his autobiography, Musa asserts that he himself, Ayub Khan and the GHQ opposed the Pakistan Foreign Ministry's proposal of sending guerrillas into Indian Kashmir. In December 1964, President Ayub Khan told Musa that he would not support the plan to launch guerrillas into Indian held Kashmir. Moreover, there was no linkage, asserts Musa, between Pakistan's move in the Rann of Kutch and Operation GIBRALTAR, which was launched in August 1965.

The first source directly contradicts the content claimed. The second source states a claim by Musa Khan, which has been inserted here as a fact. Moreover, there is complete distortion about the "linkage".

He led and commanded the Pakistan Army in the largest tank battle, which earned him public fame.^[4]

The source has four footnotes, none of which talk about Musa leading anything, nor about any "public fame".

This is just a sample, but enough to throw the veracity of the entire article into doubt. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Amin, Agha Humayun (November 2000). "The Pakistan Army From 1965 to 1971". www.defencejournal.com. A.H. Amin, Defence. Retrieved 17 October 2016. Ayub being a Hindko speaking Pathan, Musa being a Persian speaking Mongol-Hazara and Yahya being a Persian speaking Qizilbash. Tikka was the first Punjabi chief of the army.
^ Haider, Retired Air Commodore Sajjad (6 September 2015). "Straight shooting on the 1965 war". Dawn, Haider. Retrieved 19 October 2016.
^ Gates, Scott; Roy, Kaushik (2016-02-17). Unconventional Warfare in South Asia: Shadow Warriors and Counterinsurgency. Routledge, Gates. ISBN 9781317005407. Retrieved 19 October 2016.
^ VSM, Brig Amar Cheema (2015-03-31). The Crimson Chinar: The Kashmir Conflict: A Politico Military Perspective. Lancer Publishers. ISBN 9788170623014. Retrieved 19 October 2016.

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[A.H._Amin,_Defence-1] Amin, Agha Humayun (November 2000). "The Pakistan Army From 1965 to 1971". www.defencejournal.com. A.H. Amin, Defence. Retrieved 17 October 2016. Ayub being a Hindko speaking Pathan, Musa being a Persian speaking Mongol-Hazara and Yahya being a Persian speaking Qizilbash. Tikka was the first Punjabi chief of the army.

[Dawn,_Haider-2] Haider, Retired Air Commodore Sajjad (6 September 2015). "Straight shooting on the 1965 war". Dawn, Haider. Retrieved 19 October 2016.

[Routledge,_Gates-3] Gates, Scott; Roy, Kaushik (2016-02-17). Unconventional Warfare in South Asia: Shadow Warriors and Counterinsurgency. Routledge, Gates. ISBN 9781317005407. Retrieved 19 October 2016.

[CrimsonChinar-4] VSM, Brig Amar Cheema (2015-03-31). The Crimson Chinar: The Kashmir Conflict: A Politico Military Perspective. Lancer Publishers. ISBN 9788170623014. Retrieved 19 October 2016.

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