Talk:Mughal–Afghan Wars

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Ridiculous Protection and Inaction against blatant tampering

User:Sutyarashi on 13:15, 20 July 2023 made an edit removing the claim of Durranis ruling India in the results section.

This was not reverted, instead the page locked for no one to correct it! Ironically under the pretence of preventing "additions of poorly sourced material" by User:Yamaguchi先生 when it is now solidified into the article. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 15:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent disruption

RevolutionaryPatriot Durrani Empire didn't control Khanate of Kalat and Kalhora Sindh except for a nominal overlordship. Similarly, large areas such as Gilgit Baltistan and Chitral State in north and Bahawalpur state were never its part. Hence, the phrasing as parts of Pakistan and India is correct. If you're willing to push it further, per WP:BURDEN you should provide reference for the claim you want to add, instead of edit warring and borderline WP: PERSONAL remarks[1][2] Sutyarashi (talk) 11:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is nearly all of Pakistan's land area and population under direct rule or Suzerainty. If you think is meant to be phrased as "parts of Pakistan" as it is for India you're dreaming.

Just try act like a normal person for a change, if you behave in an odd way then people call you out for it. That is what you will face for the rest of your life. You literally wouldn't say your reasoning during your second reverting of the edit. My edit summaries are just useful, as there's a possibility that some readers would be interested to know you tried removing "controlled parts of India". Live in the real world, you should act decently in your life, even online on an important website like wikipedia. Anyone can read all these messages/edit summaries, there's not much you can do about it.

You are complaining that you're being called out on your wrong doings. Grow up and learn from your mistakes. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 11:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This reply suggests a typical WP: NOTHERE behaviour. You should either provide citation for whatever change you want to make, or leave the section as it is. Sutyarashi (talk) 12:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sutyarashi Adding to this — Durrani control over Sindh was stronger then Kalat’s or that’s usually what all sources describe. I’ll show some sources in a bit in that regard. Noorullah (talk) 13:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While Gilgit and Chitral were definitely never under Durrani control, Bahawalpur was at times under them as a tributary. Noorullah (talk) 13:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but tributary states constitute neither part nor a conquest on their own. The territories ceded by Mughal ruler Muhammad Shah in 1757 were limited to the provinces of Lahore, Multan and Kashmir.^[1] Given that articles deals with the battles between Mughals and Afghans, it's appropriate to change the statement into this. Sutyarashi (talk) 14:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Durranis ruled over the modern state of Pakistan in its entirety. Why do you think they ruled "Parts of Pakistan" ? RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 09:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Repeating yourself over and over again is not helpful. You need to back up that with reliable and verifiable references. Sutyarashi (talk) 14:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No sources, I was just talking to you about the phrasing "parts of Pakistan". What do you think of it? RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 01:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Grewal, J. S. (1998). The Sikhs of the Punjab. Cambridge University Press. p. 87–88. ISBN 978-0-521-63764-0.

[1] Grewal, J. S. (1998). The Sikhs of the Punjab. Cambridge University Press. p. 87–88. ISBN 978-0-521-63764-0.

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