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Real Ale - refactored discussion

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Have you ever tasted Goat Beer? What is the source of your Bottle conditioning claim? [1]. Agnte 17:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have drunk the beer, and it had some yeast sediment in the bottom of the bottle. Added to which the brewery claims the beer is unfiltered and unpasteurised - the requirements for a bottle conditioned beer, and RateBeer.Com has it listed as a bottle conditioned beer. The style of the beer is a bitter or pale ale. But calling an Australian beer a "bitter" might lead to confusion with those hoppy lagers the Aussie brewers call bitter. I changed what someone had listed as "real ale" into something more specific and verifiable (I suspect when served on draught it wouldn't qualify as Real Ale, which is a very limiting and strict CAMRA definition), though I didn't actually change the style. Cheers! SilkTork 18:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, my inital thoughts were that it's a bit misleading to call it Bottle conditioned when most people who drink it do so from draft - it doesn't go anywhere near a bottle. Mountain Goat do refer to their bottled product as "bottle conditioned" [2] [3], and if you can tell me where CAMRA's standards are, we can see if the draft meets their definition of 'real ale' even though the term is quite widley used these days. If it matters, all the media coverage i've found (and the goat website) refers to the beer as an english 'real ale' - perhaps this definition should be expanded. Agnte 21:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Real Ale. Yes, I agree that the term Real Ale is widely misunderstood. I have looked again at the page for Real Ale and made another adjustment which I hope will make the term a little clearer. It might be an idea if I adjust the entry in Mountain Goat to read Pale Ale as neither Real Ale or Bottle Conditioned is a beer style, which is what that beer box wants to say. All I was doing was going through Wiki and correcting sentences which mentioned Real Ale when Cask Ale was the more exact term. The Mountain Goat entry was awkward because the term Real Ale it was in that beer box under style. SilkTork 22:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Real Ale

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I hope this wording is clearer. SilkTork 22:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, using the term 'bitter' is possibly more confusing, it means other things in the context of Australian beers. I've put a footnote in which i think makes things clearer. Agnte 07:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the CAMRA definition of 'Real ale' doesnt mean all that much to people outside of the UK, and it's not strictly relevant to Australian beer. Real ale means different things to different people. Agnte 07:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The article is way too detailed on some respects, for example in the environmental issues part. Reads more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry. 91.154.124.98 (talk) 19:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Pertti[reply]

This remains an issue and I have inserted the corresponding template. I will work with this article over coming weeks to raise the standard of the content.--Soulparadox (talk) 22:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive Lead section

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The Lead section was unnecessarily long and I have edited it accordingly, without any loss of information. The Lead section is like an introduction and is not like advertising space "above the fold".--Soulparadox (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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During the AfD I found a number of articles in notable or at least good sources that contain significant usable coverage of Mountain Goat Beer. I am listing them below so that they may be utilized to improve this article. (Note: Additional good sources also exist, and this was just a brief search.)

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