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On 5 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Mountain America Stadium. The result of the discussion was not moved.

On 31 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Mountain America Stadium. The result of the discussion was Moved.

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How wide is each "seat" in the stadium?Azsun7777 02:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Current article has slightly contradictory figures about current seating capacity. The list of upgrades results in a figure that is within a few hundred seats of the "current capacity" at top, but is not the same as that number.--EFerington 21:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus, on basis of cited NAMECHANGE and COMMONNAME guidelines/policies. As stated by several participants, time will tell what the new common name of the stadium being used in new reliable, secondary sources. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 19:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Devil Stadium → Mountain America Stadium – Arizona State University announced that they will be renaming Sun Devil Stadium to Mountain America Stadium as part of a naming-rights deal with Mountain America Credit Union. Although Sun Devil Stadium is an iconic stadium name, the university and many media outlets will now use the new name from now on. Reference: https://news.asu.edu/20230802-university-news-asu-mountain-america-credit-union-naming-rights-deal-football-stadium Dc55555 (talk) 16:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. While "Mountain America Stadium" may now be the WP:OFFICIALNAME, the article should be titled with the WP:COMMONNAME. "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used". No evidence given that this sponsorship name is in common use.

What's more is that the official announcement of the sponsorship and the university's stadium web page note that the new name is actually "Mountain America Stadium, Home of the ASU Sun Devils". I'll add this to the article's lead.

PK-WIKI (talk) 18:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain America Stadium is the new name, once the upcoming football season begins, many news articles will call the stadium Mountain America Stadium. This is similar to the name change of Willis Tower in Chicago, Illinois. Willis Tower is the official name, but many people; especially many locals call it the Sears Tower. Should we change the name Willis Tower article to Sears Tower?

This is an Arizona example, when the Arizona Diamondbacks stadium changed their name from Bank One Ballpark to Chase Field; many locals for a while referred stadium as the former name instead of current name.

An ASU example, when the ASU basketball changed named from Wells Fargo Arena to Desert Financial Center, many locals and students call and still call the arena as Wells Fargo Arena. Sometimes it’s better to call the Wikipedia Article by the Official name than it’s common name even if the locals don’t call it by the official name.

Also, the official name of the stadium is not “Mountain America Stadium, Home of the ASU Sun Devils”; it’s just “Mountain America Stadium”. They’re adding the “Home of the ASU Sun Devils” to not confuse fans since it’s a new name. The football stadium of University of Central Florida is called FBC Mortgage Stadium because of naming-rights deal similar to ASU. Should we change the name of the Wikipedia Page and lead to “FBC Mortgage Stadium; Home of UCF Knights”? Same scenario with the University of Kentucky stadium; should we change the name of the Wikipedia Page and Lead to “Kroger Field; Home of Kentucky Wildcats”? Dc55555 (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing to add, as of writing this, they’re replacing the signage of the stadium to the new name, meaning that they’re using the new sponsorship. Dc55555 (talk) 01:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The stadium has been renamed to "Mountain America Stadium, Home of the ASU Sun Devils", not just "Mountain America Stadium", per the university's announcement and ASU facility page:

If any of those other universities were similarly officially named to include "...home of the TEAM", then yes, those articles too should include that in their lead.

PK-WIKI (talk) 05:30, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just realize the official name is "Mountain America Stadium, Home of the ASU Sun Devils"; that name should be in the Lead. I apologize. But, the rest of the article should be renamed to the shorter name which is "Mountain America Stadium". If the article name change is approved, the name should just be "Mountain America Stadium" Dc55555 (talk) 06:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we're going to resolve this argument so, I requested a Wikipedia:Third opinion; here's the link 08:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC) Dc55555 (talk) 08:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3O Response: Please read WP:NAMECHANGES, "Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name... If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match." Hence we will have to

wait. Additionally, I would suggest keeping the old name throughout the article. Pabsoluterince (talk) 09:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move until the common name can be determined. O.N.R. ^(talk) 20:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NAMECHANGES, still need to see evidence of routine use of new name by RS. Pabsoluterince (talk) 09:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NAMECHANGES. 162 etc. (talk) 22:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 31 August 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 14:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Devil Stadium → Mountain America Stadium – Arizona State University announced that they will be renaming Sun Devil Stadium to Mountain America Stadium as part of a naming-rights deal with Mountain America Credit Union. Although the WP:OFFICIAL is “Mountain America Stadium, Home of the ASU Sun Devils” the local media in the Phoenix area and the fanbase has been using the new WP:COMMONNAME of “Mountain America Stadium” Dc55555 (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Comment; WP:NAMECHANGES A lot of WP:SOURCE such as The Arizona Republic, Phoenix New Times and ABC 15 have been using the new WP:COMMONNAME in the new articles. Even the ASU student newspaper The State Press is using the new name. All the news websites and blogs that talk about NCAA Football and Arizona State Athletics have been using the new name. The stadium removed any signage of the old name; the new name has even been painted on the field. Dc55555 (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Links to a few of the reliable local sources that use the new WP:COMMONNAME weeks after the name change. Most of them are sports related:

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/tempe/tempe-businesses-asu-fans-prepare-for-new-football-season

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2023/08/30/arizona-state-football-southern-utah-preview/70615614007/

https://www.statepress.com/article/2023/08/asu-defends-self-imposed-bowl-ban

https://arizonasports.com/story/3532359/arizona-state-glow-in-the-dark-uniforms-colorado/

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arts/free-things-to-do-this-week-in-phoenix-17011190 Dc55555 (talk) 07:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary support. By this point, it appears the common name has (unfortunately) been determined. O.N.R. ^(talk) 08:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:NAMECHANGES, see sources cited by OP. 162 etc. (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Sources about US stadiums generally follow name changes – as repeatedly seen with Acrisure Stadium (Pittsburg), Valley Children's Stadium (Fresno, California), Crypto.com Arena (Los Angeles), etc. – using sponsored names routinely. That remains the case even in cases with unpopular reception for the change among fans or locals, where one might have been most likely to imagine common practice rejecting official naming. Here, we see the expected result has happened. Adumbrativus (talk) 19:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.