Talk:Motion sickness/Archive 1

Archive 1

Yes, but why sickness?

I can understand that your brain receives conflicting signals from your eyes and vestibular system causing confusion to the brain, but why should the outcome of this be nausea? It doesn't seem to make much sense! --CharlesC 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Because the brain thinks one is hallucinating and that this is caused intoxication. Nausea is induced because it leads to vomiting an thus clearance of some of the hallucinogenic toxin. 70.22.58.75 21:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

acupressure

So, uhm, what about those acupressure wristbands that purportedly prevent motion sickness? Any scientific background on that? -- Kimiko 19:24, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

These (along with tongue spray, some kind of hand shock therapy, ginger pills, placebo and a commercial product) were tested on a recent episode of MythBusters, the ginger pills seemed to work best, followed by the commercial product. The placebo also worked on one of the two test subjects. The rest of the products, including the wristbands, did not seem to have much effect. --GalFisk 13:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The article itself quotes the ginger pills as "citation needed". Can we use the MythBuster episode as a 'field test' in the Treatment section? Jappalang 03:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

What about an explanation for how someone can experience motion sickness without having the endolymph (the fluid found in the semicircular canals of the inner ears) stirred up? Like when you watch a movie from the front row.

• See simulation sickness 70.22.58.75 21:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

In the Canadian 'Digital Living' journal HUB magazine's (March, 2006), Total Gamer column, writer Erin Bell refers to the American Academy of Pediatrics' explanation that motion sickness is caused by confusion between a range of sensors throughout the body. The liquid in the inner ear, actually provides a lot of information about depth and height as we look up and down; the eyes and neck help keep us oriented as we move around our bodies and our heads; and "nerves in the ankles, knees and other joints register information about the surface we are walking on." Bell approaches the subject in terms of a personal quest to avoid video game-induced nausea, and reports similar negative experiences between dramamine (Gravol), Bornine, and Transderm V in the form of drowsiness. Bell also reports better success with ginger and peppermint oil, and even dramatic results with Sea Bands, a type of accupressure wrist devices I believe Kimiko refers to above. Interestingly, after a period of using the bands to play formerly troublesome games with no ill effects, Bell inadvertantly indulged one day without the bands -- and felt just fine. One might suggest that this is an example of the placebo effect, but I would suggest it may instead be the result of systematic desensitization; perhaps the bands did work for the time they were used, and being free to play without ill effect permitted the author's metabolism to 'learn' to tolerate the conflicitng information. This would explain the phenomenon of 'getting your sea legs', usually earned by protracted nausea and vomiting. The gamer's experience suggests that the suffering may not be a necessary part of becoming acclimatized. The trick may be to find your cure, and to stick with the activity long enough to overcome it. As an aside, it would be interesting to see if a 'cured' motion sickness candidate is symptom free across other conducive environments. For example, if beside visual stimulation Bell also experienced motion sickness thorugh kinetic stimuli as in rocking below deck on a boat, would the desensitization achieved through video games cross over to the sea sickness as well? If not, my suggestion would be peanut butter. A rounded teaspoon of peanut butter does wonders to settle your stomach on the sea, Billy... --BK 07:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Old Trials I participated in trials (with many other subjects - I think about 30 in all)investigating motion sickness at the institute of RAF medicine at RAE Farnborough around 1964 to 1965. Broadly, all subjects were presented with two situations of sensory conflict. They were subjected both to motion with no visual cues (a projected horizon which appeared to be static with reference to their bodies), and on another run they were subjected to a moving horizon with no real motion occurring. Several different frequencies of motion were tested for each subject in different sequencies. Several findings were clear. First, most subjects felt a degree of nausea, and each subject had their own critical frequency which induced nausea quickest. This was independent of whether the nausea was motion induced or visually induced. Second, most subjects slowly became less sensitive to motion as the experiments progessed. Third, those subjects already familiar with violent motion were least sensitive. Lastly, two subjects appeared to be immune. I'm sorry, I don't know whether the results were published, and therefore verifiable.

Jimbaer 14:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)jimbaer 19 April 2007

Relief bands

Removed from article as it sounds like quackery and no reference provided:

Another available treatment is Relief Band, a watch-shaped product worn on the wrist. It sends a painless electronic pulse through an acupuncture point. While it has been independently proven to relieve nausea caused by chemotherapy and other poison-induced forms of nausea, an independent study also found it provides no relief for nausea caused by motion sickness. (Miller and Muth 2004))

-- Dan100 (Talk) 11:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Can't there still be something about wrist bands in the article, even if "quackery" or debunked? Finding out about the purported effectiveness of wrist bands was the sole reason I sought out the article in the first place, and yet there wasn't one bit of information about them listed there.SpacemanSpiff27 (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Anything about why some people don't get motion sick? Maxwellstragedy

Hello, I usually never get car sick when we start traveling in the morning when I get up im usually fine. But for the last few years when we get up around 4 AM and before to leave in the car I always get motion sickness It usually right after I wake up. When we leave in the car I feel sick and nauseous. Does any Have any idea why this only happens in the morning and how to stop it?

3D computer games

Anyone know how motion sickness when playing 3D computer games (like first person shooters) is caused? It happens to me sometimes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.111.229.131 (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

• See simulation sickness 70.22.58.75 21:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

If your talking about first person 3D games (like when you get to look through the characters eyes and see what they see), then it's because you see movement going somewhere in the game, but your brain can't process the fact that even though you see movement, you aren't actually moving yourself, causing an surge of confusion, which is what causes your simulator sickness.

Merging - No

Motion sickness is not sea sickness and vice-versa. Each has its parameters that some are subject to which might not be induced on land, sea or air. Ronbo76 06:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Having two items on the same page does not mean they're synonymous, they would have their own sections. Vicarious 04:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• According to "the most common theory" (see main article and 1 - the reference being a section of the Navy's General Medical Officer Manual and thus containing generally accepted theories) seasickness, carsickness, simulation sickness, airsickness and space sickness are all the same thing: a conflict between the motion perceived by the eyes and by the inner ear being interpreted by the brain as intoxication with a hallucinogenic substance. Consequently, merging is appropriate indeed. 70.22.58.75 21:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Chinese version is completely wrong. Help!!!

The Chinese wikipedia entry for motion sickness is completely wrong. It's used by a pseudoscientist to promote his anti-science message. I have changed it back into the translation of the first sentence of the English version. How do I prevent this be changed back into the wrong content again? This guy is disrupting several chinese bbs's to promote his pseudosience. He will certainly come back and vandalize the wiki site again. I would also like help in translating the whole entry.

Imagined simulation motion sickness?

Am I the only person who doesn't get simulation sickness from viewing it on a screen but instead from imagining severe motion (in my case, waves of water or water beds, etc.) while laying with my eyes closed? I don't get too bad of motion sickness while in a pool but that night, hours and hours after swimming I'm kept awake by constantly feeling sick from dreaming of / picturing waves or feeling as if I'm in a body of water. I can't seem to find anything about this, though. I would assume it is the same as the simulation sickness mentioned in the article that is only contributed to video-games, but I have never once experienced this while playing any manner of first person video-game. Does anyone else get this? TealMan 11:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistent NASA statistics?

The article says 60% of NASA's space shuttle astronauts experience space sickness. In another part, it also says 50% of NASA's astronauts have experience space sickness at some point. Doesn't the fact that 60% of space shuttle astronauts get space sickness on their first time give a lower bound for the percentage of astronauts that have ever felt space sickness? I suppose that this later 50% figure could take into account some other types of "non-space-shuttle" astronauts, if such exist. I'm not exactly an expert in the field! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.221.18 (talk) 15:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

There are more astronauts than just shuttle astronauts. As the article informs us, earlier astronauts ('capsuleers'?) did not seem to be as affected by spaceflight, presumably because of the confined space of a capsule. Because a fairly significant percentage of astronauts have achieved spaceflight via capsules, I think the numbers given are reasonable. Frankja79 (talk) 19:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Car Sickness

I was told those strips of material hanging down under the back of cars that touch the road prevent car sickness. Is this true, and if so how does it work? Thisnamestaken (talk) 20:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe what you are referring to are there to ground the car so that the car does not build up an electric charge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.208.197 (talk) 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Causes

The section about hallucinations seems completely unverifiable. I can't find it anywhere on the web and it seems pretty far-fetched to me. Sounds like this could easily be a myth. Anyone else heard of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrwhale888 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't even really make sense, as hallucinogenic drugs are not particularly known for making people want to vomit. Ever hear of people throwing up on LSD? 31.54.36.196 (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

ViBAN

This reference appears rather sexual counterintuitive to me. On the basis of your explanation of motion sickness as arising from sensory conflict, I was puzzled as to how a device which blocks visual inputs while travelling would reduce nausea rather than excaerbate it. From the ViBAN website: "[ViBAN's] patented engineering blocks the passenger's view of motion outside the moving vehicle, while providing an undisturbed view inside the vehicle. You will see what is in your lap but not outside motion. The eye tells the brain you are moving because it sees motion, while other body sensors tell the brain you are still." I think the developers of this product have got it the wrong way around - the problem is that the eye tells the brain you are not moving, contrary to the other "body sensors". This seems to me like a poorly thought-out marketing rouse and not worthy of mention on this page. Melissza (talk) 11:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

• I felt the same way about this section. Being one who suffers from car and simulation sickness myself I can in fact say that even reading or other activities are much more bearable when I hold up the book in front of a window to allow my peripheral vision to see more movement. I wouldn't want others with my problem to incorrectly invest in this product when it is unlikely to help them so will add a disclaimer rather than remove it entirely without reference, I apologize if this is not the correct course of action but with how old this previous question is I wouldn't want to wait for an actual wiki editor without leaving at least a caution to readers in the meantime.

I also believe someone should add the facts that allowing oneself to see stationary objects while gaming, as well as the already mentioned moving scenery while driving are effective even if only in one's periphery, helping significantly to reduce the effects due to a greater agreement between the senses while still allowing those other activities such as reading in a car. 184.153.58.154 (talk) 14:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

ginger

Any opposition to moving ginger from the chemical treatment portion of this article to the natural treatment section? Also, I've heard that ylang-ylang essential oil is an active ingredient in one of the over-the-counter medications. Does anyone have experience with using ylang-ylang essential oil to relieve motion sickness? If so, could you share specifics as to application technique and results? Desertelephant (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there any basis for the bald statement that ginger is ineffective in treating motion sickness? As far as I am aware there is ample evidence that it is quite effective and crucially with no side effects. This is a naturally occurring medication and has been found effective in tests by the Danish navy among others. Erwfaethlon (talk) 08:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

there is a source, right there in the article. Jytdog (talk) 08:44, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

VRMS

"Video game related motion sickness (VRMS)" appears to be a made-up term unique to this article. I'm not saying the phenomenon isn't real, but I can find no reference to that specific term outside of this article. 31.54.36.196 (talk) 19:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I can't find any source or reference to VRMS either. I've removed VRMS from the article. Goose (talk) 17:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I finished removing it here Jytdog (talk) 19:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

That's great and all but there should really be some mention of this in the article. If you just google "video game motion sickness" you get tons of articles describing it and how to alleviate it (e.g. [1]). The German Wikipedia even has its own article on the condition, which references a proper, published dictionary of psychological terms. But just those dozens of English articles should be enough to justify mentioning it here, maybe in a cautious fashion like "some people have reported ..." and then referencing some of those articles. --178.3.45.9 (talk) 10:31, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

What should be in articles everywhere in WP is what reliable sources describe. For content about health, like this, reliable sources are defined in WP:MEDRS. Jytdog (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Merge Seasickness into motion sickness and redirect. Seasickness is a small start class article, and the subject is a subset of motion sickness. The target article is not so big that the small amount of additional content will be a problem. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 05:41, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Support Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Support Bondegezou (talk) 10:05, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

support --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Support —Shelley V. Adams ‹blame
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Support CV9933 (talk) 12:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems uncontroversial, so done. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 10:37, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

An expert eye on the medications subsection would be appreciated. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 13:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Treatments - Activities

Looking at the history of the article makes it seem that a lot of people have added the wisdom from their own personal experience and their own personal remedies. However, Wikipedia is not a recipe box, and giving medical advice is not the purpose of Wikipedia either.

The problem is the complete lack of sources in these paragraphs. In the activities section for instance, the fresh air part is the only sourced part. There is a "citation needed" tag at the sentence about the chewing, but really the whole section is, at best, original research.

If there are no reliable sources to be found for this content, some of which has apparently been sitting in this article for years already, we really should get rid of these personal health recommendations. --93.212.252.164 (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Starting to edit, I just now saw that this "citation needed" tag has been sitting in there for six years already! This is ridiculous. I will take out that "chewing" part right here and now, and anyone restoring this or adding new health recommendations please don't forget to bring along the sources. --93.212.252.164 (talk) 22:17, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Shouldn't this statement be under the Nausea article?

As follows is a quote from the Motion sickness article: '"Nausea" in Greek means seasickness (naus means ship).' This seems, at least under my opinion, belong more to the Nausea article itself. Should this be included under there? (Note that this statement could be adding context to Seasickness) TheDragonFire300 (talk) 07:32, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Agree; but note that the question is less "either/or", and more which aspects deserve how much coverage in one or the other, and which in both.
--Jerzy•t 00:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Confoundings

   The experiencer's misperceptions and the reader's potential misconceptions both need substantial attention for our description to avoid promoting ignorant crap. What is sensed and what is (mis-)perceived bcz of it must also be made clearer, and intuition is unreliable. The relevant parts of our sensations are signals from different sensory nerves. Our instincts and habits transform them, often inaccurately reflecting the mechanical forces that influence the nerves' behavior. In this case, pressures perpendicular to the skin are primarily relevant. They feel like abnormally high or low weight due to changes in speed or direction. The experiences of nausea they produce reflect the evolutionary "pressure" of ancestors who happened to vomit up what would otherwise have poisoned them.
--Jerzy•t 00:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

anne treisman obituary

   I've removed the following comment hidden behind (Well, i'll bet we call it wp:Comment markup ...but i'm mistaken! ...) this:

For the sake of clarification, can we clarify who this is? The writer is referring to a person for the first time and has not established the person's identity.

   I guess this is why WP tolerates 71-y.o. duffers who've "Seen that; cover that". Oddly enuf, she died two-and-a-half weeks ago. I guess i'll go check whether the existing bio is up to date.
---Jerzy•t 01:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

   Oops, make that three weeks, and always remember that the date of the obit is seldom the date of death!
--Jerzy•t 02:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Sex bias

This article mentions a sex bias in the lede, but the citation ([9]) is primary research. Compare that to this:

https://www.mdpi.com/2414-4088/5/3/7

In many studies, females have been found to be more susceptible to SS compared to males (e.g., [18,19]). The reasons for the sex imbalance of SS symptoms are unknown. Some researchers have theorized that it relates to hormonal levels during the female menstrual cycle (women are more susceptible to SS during a specific portion of their menstrual cycle); however, this hypothesis is not accepted by all the scholars [19]. Other researchers have noted how females generally have a larger visual field of view (FOV), and a larger FOV is associated with a greater level of SS (19). Given that data on SS intensity is based on self-reports, it has been also suggested that males may be more likely to underreport the degree of subjective discomfort (e.g., [19,26]. However, some investigations have failed to replicate earlier published findings, and did not report any difference related to users’ sex (see [27] for a review).

I believe this is a complex, contentious subject that attracts a lot of conflicting research. We really aren't supposed to rely on primary research like this, per WP:MEDRS. -- Hunan201p (talk) 13:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)