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As stated elsewhere, i've kept "Mothra (1961 film)" redlinked in anticipation of an article on the film itself, rather than the kaiju star. It wouldn't need to be long, but discussions of the (both technical and literary) innovations in and long-term influences on tokusatsu by this film warrant more than just a paragraph in this article.—Crazilla 06:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Battra, Vaxus, etc.

Having read the blip on Vaxus at War of the Monsters, i must admit bewilderment at what was meant in writing this creature in for Battra; if i've missed something (that can be substantiated), please stick a note here. In any case, being that Mothra came about long before Battra, Vaxus, and all their aunts' and nephews' evil twins, unless a section can be written about their influence on Mothra they don't seem to warrant more than a passing mention in this article.—Crazilla 07:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fictional country, Rolisica....A bizzare combination of New York, Los Angeles and Russia?

I honestly hope people were able to pick up this up because it's painfully obvious in so many ways. New Kirk City being the ultimate example and the fact its population is cleary white or European decent. Now, my question is are these references jabs at America and Russia or are they simply a work of fiction just solemnly made for sake of the movie? In 1961, it had been 16 years since America attacked Japan with bombs so I wouldn't be too surprised if it was but I REALLY doubt they would do it intentionally too. Any thoughts, anybody?

The same thing happens in a lot of Miyazaki films, where U.S. and European locations and cultures get mashed together to create a sort of (from a Japanese POV) generic "foreign-seeming" locale. -- Macduff (talk) 12:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The novel Glowing fairies and Mothra of which the movie based had a lot of political metaphors. Rolisica is a fictional country from the novel, apparently referring Russia and USA during the cold war. The theme of the novel is "be wise and solve the problem peacefully". In 1960, a year before the release of the movie, the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan took effect, despite the strong opposition from the Japanese nation. Look at the people surrounding the diet of Japan. In 1945, after the WWII, the US military occupied Japan for the obvious reasons. Then there was Korean War (1950-1953) where Japan provided significant combat service support. Then we went into the cold war. There was a realistic fear of nuclear war. There was a lot of pressure from the US government that Japanese government support the US base. The Japanese people thought "why are we still part of the war of other countries in the fear of nuclear bombing again" -- hence the opposition of the treaty that extended the stay of US military in Japan. In fact the novel had a scene that Mothra built cocoon at the diet of Japan tangled with her thread. The message was too political, so the scene was replaced with Tokyo tower. It' interesting that Macduff pointed out the Miyazaki films have some similarity. Mr. Miyazaki, who lived in his young days during 1960, share a lot of same messages in his anime movies. I know the movie is entertainment for children, so we don't have to read too much into the background, but it might be interesting for some people. Thanks for reading this lengthy comment in broken English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.34.230.9 (talk) 04:09, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By the way Columbia Pictures had exclusive distribution rights of the movie. The company bared 50% of the production cost. In order for the marketing in the US to be successful the company requested to include scenes from US-like cities. That's how New Kirk City was made up. The original Japanese version ending scene was at the island where the two fairies were native of. The US version ended at the airport in New Kirk City. It was one of the requests of Columbia Pictures. -- these are quote from the author of the original novel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.34.230.9 (talk) 09:00, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Imago

Does anyone have a good shot of the winged Mothra? I'm having a hard time visualizing. --Masamage 06:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. For such a popular kaiju, there should be at least 1 decent picture of her besides the movie poster. Angry bee (talk) 19:14, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Cultural references section

The cultural references seem to be getting more attention then the main article. I suggest splitting the section off much like what was done with the Godzilla article and the video game content put into its own section.--CLS 12:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Link To The Past

What about the monster in the legend of zelda: A Link to the past? Her name was Mothra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.220.17 (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The boss in ALttP was MOTHULA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.90.173 (talk) 02:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Simpsons Episode

I think it is worth noting somewhere (maybe in the cultural reference section?) that in an episode of The Simpsons, in the intro, Bart is writing something like "Today is not Mothra's day" on the chalk board.. although someone who knows what episode it is/exactly what it says should edit the article. If it helps the episode was about Homer having an accident, injuring his knee, opening day care center. 86.147.67.11 (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I´ve read that Mothra´s design was inspired by the atlas moth found on the Yonaguni island in southern Japan!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.192.180.94 (talk) 20:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate "See Also" link?

I would have to question the single "See Also" link, leading to the wikipedia page for "Mothman" ([[1]]). Neither page contains a mention of the other (and, to my knowledge, there is nothing related between the two other than the "moth" in their names), aside from the "See Also" links.

This would also question the corresponding "See Also" link on the "Mothman" page.

Ballpark frank (talk) 07:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree but I'm relatively sure that we would need an admin's or template editor's permission to do so. ECPBlue (talk) 22:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. Anyone can edit mainspace articles and templates on Wikipedia, including unregistered visitors to the site. (Not that there's a template involved here, but for some reason you refer to a "template editor", so...) That's why it's called "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" right on the front page. Martin IIIa (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Though identified as a kind of moth, the character's design is more evocative of a European peacock butterfly"

This line is currently in the lede, but isn't sourced. I'd dispute this - from all the images I've seen of Mothra, the body looks very moth-like, and the wing shape and pattern is also remenicent of several types of moth, especially Saturniinae (e.g. atlas moth, polyphemus moth, emperor gum moth) and to a lesser extent Death's-head_hawkmoth. The peacock butterfly isn't the only Lepidoptera with eye-spots. 86.133.34.110 (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it is sourced: Davide Di Giorgio, Andrea Gigante, Gordiano Lupi (2012). Godzilla il re dei mostri: Il sauro radioattivo di Honda e Tsuburaya. Il Foglio Letterario. pp. 61-3. ISBN 978-88-7606-351-0
Here's the full quote, which you can put on google translate: Il suo aspetto, in realtà, più che alle falene rimanda alle farfalle, in particolare alla Vanessa io (Inachis io), della famiglia delle Ninfalidi, tipica dell'Europa e dell'Asia. p. 61.
Furthermore, valid as you observations are, they are irrelevant unless backed up by a source directly comparing Mothra to your examples. Mariomassone (talk) 09:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who are those authors and what are their expertise? We might not be able to include my observations, but unless those authors are recognized experts on moths, butterflies, and Japanese monster movies, and their opinion is significant, I'd argue that they are mistaken and the whole claim should be removed. (For that matter, I have no access to the actual source, so do we know that it is the "looks like a peacock butterfly" that that reference applies to, rather than the following sentence?) Iapetus (talk) 09:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Full quote:
Il suo aspetto, in realtà, più che alle falene rimanda alle farfalle, in particolare alla Vanessa io (Inachis io), della famiglia delle Ninfalidi, tipica dell'Europa e dell'Asia. Il design apporta comunque alcune variazioni originali, sostituendo la proboscide con due mandibole dentate, creando così un ibrido, che qualcuno ha definito un incrocio fra un Tricottero (particolare specie di insetto d'acqua) e un Lepidottero.
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C'è però di più: Mothra è anche il solo kaiju a non essere unico. In più di una occasione, infatti, la vediamo soccombere, per essere sostituita dalle sue larve. Si fa in questo senso accenno sia al ciclo vita-morte-rinascita, ovvero il Samsara di religioni come il Buddhismo, il Brahmanesimo e l'Induismo, che - più precisamente - al cosiddetto "cerchio della vita", per cui gli esseri viventi rivivono attraverso le gesta dei propri discendenti. - pp. 60-61.
Original point still stands. Mariomassone (talk) 11:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly make them a reliable source though? 98.179.184.17 (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather it be changed to be vaguer honestly. "Brightly colored wings more associated with butterflies rather than moths" or something. Listing a specific species of butterfly should only really matter if it was what the original Japanese designer was using as reference, not some random guy in a non-English book. I know a review book that says he looks like an old sock but I'm not gonna add that to the wiki page. 96.74.105.129 (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable. Mariomassone (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shobijin

request for a separate page for the Shobijin. - Eiga-Kevin2

I concur; And someone bring in an Indonesian for the song, my efforts in translation says what the song says is this:

Mosura oh Mosura.

With your power of inner spiritual energy.

Accept the prayers of thy humble servants.

Arise and show your magic power.

-Sasha V, エアロビ天国GOGO HEAVEN! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasha V151. (talk • contribs) 12:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article size is well under 40,000 bytes, so a WP:SPLIT isn't merited in this case. Martin IIIa (talk) 00:38, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?

Why battra have his page go to the Film Godzilla vs Mothra battle for the earth the same thing happen with Destroyah Monster 1954 (talk) 16:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]