Talk:Mood disorder

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Disagree

I disagree with the lumping of (unipolar) depression and bipolar disorder under the nomer "manic depression", especially with no explanation or qualificaiton. I have on the order of ten books on depression or manic depression and NONE use the term "manic depression" in this way. NONE of the first 40 google hits for "manic depression" appear to use the term in this way. For most, manic depression is just the old name for bipolar disorder. (On a related note, there is also a school of thought that believes that bipolar disorder may actually be biochemically more closely related to scizophrenia than unipolar depression, although bipolar disorder is still considered a mood disorder.) -- Ithacagorges 01:17 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, manic depression typically reffers to bipolar disorder. Hence the manic, and the depression parts of the name (the two "poles"). In fact, the manic depression article just redirects to bipolar disorder. This article is wrong =) -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 01:20, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the same lines but a bit longer. It could be improved upon but IMO is much better and more accurate than what was here before. -- Ithacagorges 01:52, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I just popped my revision on there as a quick fix. Good job on the one you put up, it is indeed more accurate (and detailed) than the strange original one. :) -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 02:00, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

post-partum depression

I've remvoed the section regarding post-partum depression affective women exclusively. Although it's rare it can also affect new fathers. The post-partum article itself states this. -- hedpeguyuk 09:06, May 17, 2006 (UTC)

poorly written

I have also removed the section of text in the second half of the article. It was poorly written, didn't flow well and most of the information could Do we really need a sentence saying something like, "people who are on Prozac are less likely to commit suicide than those who are depressed and are not on the drug." I know some antidepressants have a reputation for brining on suicidal thoughts in some patients but not in the majority. I blame the Citalopram for making my mood disorder/mental health problem (bipolar or schizotypal epilepsy) worse. But in the majority of patients an anti-depressant is going to have an anti-depressant effect and make one less likely to commit suicide. It shouldn't need to be stated. If anyone wants to revery my edit then feel free, but if they do t needs to be reworked. What's more, as this page contains links to a number of mood disorder pages (pages with more detailed and specific information) I feel that what we have now is sufficient. -- hedpeguyuk 09:31, May 17, 2006 (UTC)

Borderline personality disorder?

Should borderline personality disorder be listed here? I'm not quite certain as to the classification. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 08:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

(3 years later...) no, it is classified as a personality disorder not a mood disorder as such. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Referencing

Can someone check reference #1? It seems to redirect to itself and there are 3 links to it. (I'm new here and don't want to mess anything up). SShell (talk) 01:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok, reference 1 links to Sadock, p. 534 which should then link to the first book in the Cited texts section below it (but somehow the formatting is such that it doesn't. I'll try to figure out how i did it later...Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

what psychiatrists should know about

Deleted this statement as it is not relevant to this very broad topic. Psychiatrists should know about lots of things!!

Psychiatrists should have an indepth knowledge of organic causes of mental health disorders including those induced by substance abuse as well as the adverse effects of certain prescribed medications.Hales RE, Hershey SC (1984). "Psychopharmacologic issues in the diagnosis and treatment of organic mental disorders". Psychiatr. Clin. North Am. 7 (4): 817–29. PMID 6151650. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Earlypsychosis (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I am fine with this deletion. It is a broad topic.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 20:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

how does mood disorder effect children and to what degree. how is it usually caused in a child —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.250.6.6 (talk) 16:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Following this discussion, cited elements were merged. (non-admin close) Cnilep (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

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(moved from talk page of page to be merged) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I suggest deleting or merging this article with Mood disorder because the territory it covers is already well covered by Mood disorder. Anthony (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember seeing this article before - support merging into mood disorder. Question is, is it worth leaving a redirect? Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirect makes sense to me. I like mood disorder as it is, so support delete. Anthony (talk) 06:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Support merge Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

(Belatedly) support merge and redirect, if only for the simple reason that one page title ("types of psychological depression") seems like a wordy/colloquial way of saying the other ("[types of] mood disorder"). Chronologically speaking, the best approach might be "redirect --> merge", because 1) the merge can be a partial/selective merge, and this can be achieved by referring to the page history attached to the redirect; and 2) this approach will quickly eliminate the dual articles without fully deleting either one. (Deletion of Article A poses a procedural problem if any of Article A's material could be added to Article B, because deleting Article A removes the copyright history of its material from public access. Perhaps you're all aware of this issue anyway, but I figured I'd mention it since it's a frequent source of confusion over at AFD.) Cosmic Latte (talk) 01:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Feature of what? The lede first sentence drops off midsentence - "... main underlying feature"... feature of what?

The article begins - "Mood disorder is the term designating a group of diagnoses in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV TR) classification system where a disturbance in the person's mood is hypothesized to be the main underlying feature...". "Feature" of what? The lede first sentence drops off midsentence. ParkSehJik (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

the main underlying feature of a group of diagnoses in the DSM-IV. That is how I understand this definition. Lova Falk talk 15:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

What does underlying mean, and underlying what?

The article begins - "Mood disorder is the term designating a group of diagnoses in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV TR) classification system where a disturbance in the person's mood is hypothesized to be the main underlying feature..." Does underlying refer to etiology, and if so, etiology of what? How can a mere classification make something into a "disorder" without defining disorder and relating empircal evidence to the association of the definition to the classification scheme? ParkSehJik (talk) 02:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete and/or misleading

The part about SAD is written in a way that suggests that the only kind of SAD is the winter version. Although many experience symptoms during the darker months, there are also versions where the depressions occur annually at other times. This should be clearer in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.33.92 (talk) 14:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your comment! Do you have any sources that support your statements? Lova Falk talk 15:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Introduction of new state of the art treatment for mood disorder

Humorous link with fake content. Not directed to improving article. Collapsed.--Garrondo (talk) 09:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

What's up with the picture?

Is this guy supposed to be what it looks like when someone has a mood disorder? I guess it works but it seems arbitrary and uninformative to me.--Rayt5 (talk) 13:11, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

There is a discussion of the image at Talk:David_Horvitz#This_artist_featured_in_mood_disorder_article. There are also BLP issues related to the subject.--Nowa (talk) 16:42, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

The picture shows someone with their head in their hands giving an expression of despair/frustration. Whether and expression of despair/frustration is appropriate for this article is open to agreement, I guess. If you look at the article about Happiness you'll see plenty of random pictures of people baring their teeth in a commonly understood representation of a smile - if they are suitable to illustrate 'happiness' then maybe a picture of despair/frustration is okay for Mood disorder. Though on the other hand the subject of Mood disorder is depression and mania, neither of which are easy to illustrate. On the whole I'd probably side with Rayt5 and agree the picture is a bit too leftfield! Sionk (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Sionk This picture is derived from an art project called "Sad, Depressed People". That art project included research on mass media representations of people who are sad and depressed. I am not going to comment on the merit of this as art, but as this is an image from an artist who has recognition in his field (David Horvitz) this is not merely found art nor a submission which was casually selected. A thoughtful process went into developing this image and sharing it here. Until recently, this picture was also used in Depression (mood). Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:10, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Interesting thanks! To be honest, most of those pictures in the project could represent someone with a migraine or trying to remember where they put their car keys!! Depression is difficult to ilustrate without resorting to stereotypes. Sionk (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

(e/c) the "recognition" is of conceptual art projects (that frequently involve Wikipedia) - it is not "recognition" as an expert in medical photography. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Origin/Treatment Section Lacking

I added detail to the "Origin" section in order to strengthen the point for the reader. I also added a couple more psychological treatment options to the "Treatment" section in order to make it more comprehensive. Adam.lipford (talk) 04:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

That disorder / creativity link has been strongly criticized

There are plenty of nice anecdotes about the "mad genius" but more rigorous analysis points to the possibility that this is just confirmation bias.

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2009-06908-006 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935122/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.228.120 (talk) 20:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Dubious claim in introduction: that simultaneous presence of a mood disorder and schizophrenia is called schizoaffective disorder

The criteria for schizoaffective disorder are much more complex than this claim would appear to suggest. It is also worth mentioning that while it is the only single diagnosis of the schizophrenia-like disorders which also encompasses the general principle of disordered mood, it is not the only disorder to encompass mood disorder and psychosis: bipolar I fairly frequently involves psychosis, and major depressive disorder can also occur with psychotic features. While the simplification of schizoaffective disorder to a simple comorbidity of schizophrenia and a mood disorder is conceptually appealing, it seems probable to me that if it were that simple, it wouldn't need its own diagnostic label: individuals could simply be diagnosed with e.g. schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. However, according to the DSM-5, it is the simultaneous presence of psychosis and a mood episode (with psychosis also being sometimes present without a mood episode) along with other details that defines schizoaffective disorder; additionally, some mood disorders (e.g. dysthymia, cyclothymia) do not require the presence of mood episodes (cyclothymia actually requires there to have not been a mood episode) so equating mood episodes and mood disorders is a mistake. I therefore propose that the claim in this article's introduction on the issue be either cited or removed for being a misleading oversimplification. Anditres (talk) 03:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Problematic citation

Sentence: "A mood disorder, also known as an affective disorder, is any of a group of conditions of mental and behavioral disorder"

Citation: Sartorius 1993, pp. 91–93.

Comment: The citation exclusively comprises comments and analysis pertaining to schizophrenia. I am inclined to substitute the sentence with a relevant citation or rewrite it accordingly. Simple-engineer (talk) 16:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)