Talk:Montrose, Houston/Archive 1

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Great start to a great article Postoak! I am going to try to find more information, but give me time.--Thenderson1 04:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm looking for some free images of Montrose now, but they are hard to find. I'd also like to add the Tower Theater to the article, so I'm checking around for some good references. Postoak 04:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I live in the Audubon Place area of Montrose. We have some photos of houses posted on Flickr but I guess I am unsure of their copyright status (even though I too them!) I can post some elsewhere with clear "right to redistribute" or GFDL notations if that would help. --Vonroach 08:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pedestrian-friendly

I think it would be more accurate to describe Montrose as "one of the more pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods in Houston". Compared to pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods in other cities, e.g. New York or Europe, it's still fairly car-centric.rich 03:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. I've updated the article. Thanks, Postoak 07:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gay Pride Parade

I added the Greek festival article, but i was hesitant to put in the Gay Pride parade because I couldn't find enough to help cite it. It is also my belief that the Street Festival seems to be dying off and I'm reluctant to put it on as a "major" event since the city refuses to close the street anymore. --Hourick 13:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Hourick, if you still want to find info on the Pride Parade (as it is now called), you might try pridehouston.org. There is also a small group called the Gulf Coast Gay and Lesbian Historical Society.rich 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Urbanization/Construction

There are a couple of major construction projects that are right around the corner including one hi-rise that will be on Westheimer proper that I know about. Are these also worth mentioning until ground breaking begins? there is only a small article on both projects that are mentioned.--Hourick 13:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is not a "soapbox" or a board to announce things in this manner. What is notable about a new hi-rise? SpigotMap 05:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think in the first paragraph, where Montrose is described in terms of its historic bungalows and such, some mention should be made of all the townhouses that are springing up in every area of the Montrose where there is empty land.rich (talk) 17:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

miscellaneous

The references are running into each other and will have to be fixed. I will attempt that later today.

Also, are there redirections to this page if someone puts on "The Montrose"?

--Hourick 13:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edited a few of the links, will fix later.--Hourick 14:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I converted these to standard "cite web" inline references. Thanks, Postoak 17:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Museums In Montrose?

I think that this should be moved/deleted from the Montrose section since The Museums (except for the Menil and the Chapel) are in the Museum District, or is that truly considered "The Montrose?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hourick (talk • contribs) 04:37, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Technically, I think, the Museum District is some sort of official designation by the City of Houston, whereas the Montrose is not. Perhaps just a sentence in this article to mention that the Menil, Rothko Chapel, etc, are located here would suffice?rich 09:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable, unless someone puts up a map putting exactly where the Museum district starts and ends. I've had ongoing discussions about what the exact boundaries are. --Hourick 12:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gays,, hippies, Homeless, etc....

The mention the section of the city is "homeless" is pointless because it exists throughout the city and isn't unique to this particular section of town. As far as having "Hippies", "Hipsters", and such is accurate, but is also a bit can't be referenced anywhere, I'm inclined, and have been, referring to Montrose as a "Bohemian" community, which seemed to have attracted (in the past) artists, hippies, etc. If you can cite a source on WHY there is a large underage homeless population then that might be allowable. --Hourick (talk) 15:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Local

Why is the following in the article? Any objections to removal?Sandcherry (talk) 04:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"In a 1989 Houston Chronicle article Alan Bernstein described political support for Jim Westmoreland, an incumbent in an at-large position, in Montrose as "relatively weak." In one precinct 35.2 percent of the voting residents voted for him. Westmoreland drew controversy after reports of a joke that was characterized as "racist" spread. Beverley Clark, the opponent and a Black teacher, defeated Westmoreland in that race. Bernstein said that the significant racial minority groups and the "social tolerance" trait may have contributed to backlash against Westmoreland. Sarah Brunon, a Montrose resident and the president of the Neartown Association, said in a 1989 Houston Chronicle article that the "general comments" she heard after the Westmoreland remark was circulated throughout the press were "people's sense of amazement that someone would make such a remark such as that, even joking, in this day and age." Brunon added that Westmoreland did not often associate with the Neartown Association, unlike other at-large council members like Eleanor Tinsley, so many association members had little context in which to reference Westmoreland's remark.[17]"

Because it described the political climate of Montrose in that time. Different areas of Houston had different views of the Westmoreland scandal at that time, and Montrose had its view. It is important to note, and I object to its removal. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This makes no sense relative to the paragraph or the associated citation. Neither describe the "political climate" and Montrose as an entity did not have a "view" regarding this matter. If there is not a bona fide reason to retain this entry, then it should be removed.Sandcherry (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sandcherry, yes Montrose did as an entity have a "view" - The article describes:
    - A strong negative reaction to Westmoreland's comments.
    - A politician not interacting with the neighborhood as much as his colleagues did, so the neighborhood has a negative reaction.
    - When you have the President of the neighborhood association speaking, it is presumed to be on behalf of the neighborhood and pertinent to discussion about the neighborhood.
  - WhisperToMe (talk) 02:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - With all due respect, none of these reasons justify retaining this section in the article. Montrose is not and never has been so monolithic as to have a "view" regarding anything substantial and certainly not anything related to politics. Presidents of neighborhood associations are free to voice their opinions or the opinions of others without obtaining a consensus. There are politicians who do not interact with their neighborhoods, but that is hardly encyclopedic. If there are no other reasons to retain this section, I recommend it be deleted. Sandcherry (talk) 00:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - With all due respect, Sandcherry, neighborhoods do have consensus views. Does everybody in Montrose think the same way the head of the neighborhood association does? No. Is there an almost certain possibility that the views of the head of the neighborhood association strongly correspond with the majority of residents? Yes. Does this majority control the politics of the neighborhood? Yes.
      - Sandcherry, Wikipedia's main rule is that verifiability and not truth is the criterion. Viewpoints of people quoted in newspapers, etc. matter. The viewpoint of the president matters because the Chronicle says so.
      - Read the article about Jim Westmoreland. The article contrasts reactions from different neighborhoods, because each neighborhood has a different political POV regarding Westmoreland's career
      - Also remember this was the 1980s. Attitudes may be different today. if a sentence about Westmoreland clearly states that this was in the 1980s, it is A-OK and not misrepresenting anything.
      - WhisperToMe (talk) 05:19, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 01:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2006 gang incident in Ervan Chew park - Archived articles

I moved the content to Talk:Death of Gabriel Granillo WhisperToMe (talk) 13:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Economy" discussing supermarket operations

I have heard the viewpoint that information on area supermarket chains is not suitable for inclusion in articles. I would agree if there was no reliable source coverage about these supermarkets (referring on Wikipedia:NOTDIR). However I have discovered some Houston Chronicle coverage discussing the Montrose supermarket economy in-depth. I will write the section, then post the section in the article itself. If it is challenged I will use dispute resolution measures to resolve any disagreements.

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:25, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]