Talk:Montgomery Ward Records

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Montgomery Ward had their own record label? Source: "The Montgomery Ward chain inaugerated its own budget label in 1933" [1] - source #1
  • ALT1: ... that you could buy ten Montgomery Ward Records for $1.79? Source: "...and were an undeniable bargain at 21¢ each , or 10 for $1.79." Sutton, Allan (2000). American Record Labels and Companies – An Encyclopedia (1891-1943). Mainspring Press page 132 paragraph 1.
  • ALT2: ... that Montgomery Ward Records issued material sourced from Eli Oberstein, to which he may not have had rights? Source: "...as well as Oberstein's pseudonymous dubbings from Crown, Gennett, Paramount, and foreign material in Oberstein's possession to which he might not have owned rights." Sutton, Allan (2000). American Record Labels and Companies – An Encyclopedia (1891-1943). Mainspring Press page 132 paragraph 6.

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Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC).

• New article that was moved to mainspace on 23 November 2021‎‎‎‎ is 2,153 characters and nominated two days later. No copyvios detected (AGF all refs re. any close paraphrasing issues, since none can go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Main hook is 48 characters long (ALT1 is 58; ALT2 is 109); all three are under 200 character max. and are interesting. Ref 1 (verifying the main hook) is a reliable source from Oxford University Press. AGF ref 3 (verifying ALT1 and ALT2) as there is no preview available. QPQ done. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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"The first issues were pressed by Victor and included popular music as well as country (including Cajun), race records, ethnic material with catalog numbers beginning at M-4200, which was intended to match and replace (often with different artists) that of Broadway Records, which although not exclusive to Wards had been extensively marketed by them." Somebody want to break this up into multiple sentences that actually get to the points trying to be made?--Khajidha (talk) 22:46, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Ethnic material

Some clarification of what this means would be useful for specificity and clarification ourposes and also to avoid the somewhat frowned upon temrinology. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy:, I hadn't become aware the terminology had become somewhat undesireable. In record collecting terms, it means records marketed to those of specific ethnicities, such as German, Slovenian, Ukranian, Portuguese, Vietnamese, etc. Even a record marketed to someone of specifically British heritage might be considered "ethnic", if rarely so. See academic pubication [2]. I hope that helps. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 03:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

As per here and elsewhere, use of the term ethnic is out of favor in preference for specificity. It is considered overly general. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

well, then this is an appropriate use, as the term is used in the most generic meaning. In terms of ethnomusicology and record collecting, I believe it to be the most correct terminology, and not offensive. If you think of a better word for this specific context, let me know. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I think it would be better so spell out what genres or ethnicities the label released specifically but I wasn't trying to make a Federal case out of it. I tried to find info on "ethnic records" and it doesn't appear to me to be a widely used categorization. But you are more the expert. People use all sorts of terminology for book titles. I knew what it keant when I read it but it also made me ask, what ethnicities? What kinds of music? A more complete understanding would be had if we knew what kind of "ethnic records" they released, but I was only trying to help and it's an interesting and well written article. Kudos. And thabks for your help on various entries I've worked on. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

The source doesn't say. The source only says that MW had access to and used Victor's ethnic catalog. We can't link to enthnic music because that redirects to folk music, which is a different concept. The ethnic recordings they had access to ranged from opera to truly folk to comic vaudeville skits to popular American songs sung in a non-English language. Now, as a long-time 78rpm collector I can tell you that it is likely they issued a few German and Bohemian sides, possibly with some Italian, Slavic, Scandinavian and Mexican. If you scoured some online discographies that cover the label, empirically, I suppose you could find it out. It's hard to source an empirical proof on Wikipedia, though. It would certainly come across as WP:OR. And you certainly did help, I kept most of your changes, and I know the removal of the 1941 end date was an accident. Happy holidays! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:15, 27 December 2021 (UTC)