Talk:Monastery of Saint Naum

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Ok, Sveti Naum was a slav saint. This doesn't mean he wasn't venerated by Christian Albanians. As a matter of fact the monastery was venerated by even Albanian Bektashi, as Sari Saltik. See my editfor more. --Sulmues ^(talk) 17:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sari Saltik was Turkish and your source says "Bektashis" not "Albanian Bektashis". Many non-Arab Muslims, like Turks, make a pilgrimage to Mecca yet the Turkish name is not included on that article and it is not part of the Turkish WikiProject. Perhaps the Albanian name of Sveti Naum could go in the paragraph that discusses when the area was part of Albania. --Local hero ^talk 18:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Placement of the Albanian tag is for both the fact that the territory used to be part of Albania and also per sources that clarify how Sveti Naum is important to the Albanians. I think it is appropriate to have Shen Naum in the lede (for god's sake it's 2 kms from the border of Albania), and it is a saint that is important to the Albanians as per source. It's not that I am putting Sveti Naum's name in Islandic language. --Sulmues ^(talk) 19:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your source mentions that the monastery used to be important to Bektashis. It does not say that it used to be important to Albanians. --Local hero ^talk 19:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article enumerates all the saints that are relevant to Albanians. So it's clear that Orthodox Albanians venerate Shen Naum. It also adds that the Bektashis confused him with their own saint. As the saint is venerated by both Albanians and slavo-macedonians per sources that's why the Albanian version needs to stay in the lede. --Sulmues ^(talk) 19:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he was important to Albanians, then put his name in the lead of Saint Naum. It's likely, however, that you will be reverted just as anyone who tries to put his name in Macedonian is, despite the fact that he is among the most celebrated saints by ethnic Macedonians. --Local hero ^talk 20:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's not a town that could fall into wiki naming guidelines. Since the church is not in Albania, that just about makes the case. I doubt that the place is referred to as Shen Naum even in 10% of the sources, so that's that. As Saints go - since Naum was a real person (not a mythical one), we need his name only in the language of the country he came from/worked for. --Laveol ^T 21:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Naum was not a Bulgarian, at that time and today as all educated people know, Bulgars were a Mongolian tribe living in the north east of todays Bulgaria and they had nothing to do with Naum, Clement or Ciril, please update your information to reflect proper historical facts. 159.242.0.122 (talk) 22:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 01:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]