Talk:Momoland/Archive 1

Archive 1

No wikipedia pages for EPs.

Is there any reason why the EPs don't have their own pages? Is there not enough background information?

Parotrore (talk) 19:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Parotrore. Anyone can create Wiki pages. You can too. If you want, feel free to do so but please ensure that the contents are supported by reliable sources. Heolkpop (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for answering Heolkpop! I'm afraid they will turn out to be stubs, which I think could be removed? I think so because I'm fairly sure they will consist of just the release date, an infobox and track listing. Also, I'm not sure of any good sources for MOMOLAND discography. Is https://momoland.jp/ considered reliable for example?

Thanks again. - Parotrore (talk) 01:31, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Parotrore: I am unsure about that as many Korean albums are short but they meet a certain criteria which brought them to "Start-class". Using straight from the official website is considered as a primary source, and please try to avoid using primary sources. Maybe you should start by creating a Wiki page for Great! as the album has received some attention. Heolkpop (talk) 01:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Heolkpop: Great! (EP) is what I have just created. As source I just used some online magazine review. What do you think? - Parotrore (talk) 16:15, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Parotrore: It is a good start. You can also use the same source to create a "Reception" section to talk about the album's review. Once I'm free, I will help you expand the page. I think it is better to discuss this either on my talk page or the album's talk page now. Heolkpop (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2018

Yeonwoo21 (talk) 09:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

On September 2018, Adding Song "BBoom BBoom" is the following soundtrack in Just Dance 2019.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 09:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Seperate page for JooE?

Since JooE is now officially has appeared in other media alone, can we make a separate page? —Ivagu (talk) 04:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Removing wikilink to band member

I am puzzled by removing the wikilink to a band member. I won't put the link back because the question is about to become moot, the band member's page isn't notable. But this insistence on removing an anodyne and normative wikilink bothers me.

• The first time the link was reverted with zero explanation. I couldn't think of any possible explanation except somebody didn't believe the link was correct. So I put the link back with references.
• The second time the link was reverted with the comment that the references weren't suitable.

Suitable for establishing that this singer is a member of this band? Is that serious? The existing link for the entire band membership is a Naver search. Removing that reference means that logically somebody ought to remove the list of band members.

But in any case, we are dealing with a freaking wikilink here. A single one, this isn't a case of overlinking. A normal wikilink doesn't need a reference, even removing the references shouldn't have deleted the link. When I am policing what might be a vandalous insertion of a wikilink, I simply spend a couple of minutes to see whether it is correct or not. Nobody is even bothering to do that. They just revert.

I don't presume to know what is causing this behavior, but I find it troublesome. M.boli (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Bring back Momoland's music show wins to the Awards and Nominations section

Music show wins are valid distinctions given to K-Pop artists. It was recently removed from Momoland's page but retained for other K-Pop artists. Please look into this and allow us to make the necessary edits. Chubbybangs (talk) 03:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

They are easily non-notable to be included among other major and actual awards like Mnet Asian Music Awards and Golden Disc Awards. Music TV shows number one wins for each week are not an actual awards, its like you would list Gaon Chart 1st places as an "award" or something, only significant awards should be listed. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:11, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

How do you explain for pages of other groups where it has been retained then as momoland page has particularly been singled out and edited alone? Trailblaze24 (talk) 13:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm not one to judge but looks pretty selective at first glance with regards to what happened. Unless your objective was for someone to make a separate page about it, then I don't see how music shows which are official in Korea could not be counted as an award from your explanation Trailblaze24 (talk) 13:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

They are "official" according to what? And see WP:OTHERSTUFF, feel free to remove those music wins from other articles if you want. Snowflake91 (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Music shows are broadcasted by Korea TV stations be it MBC KBS etc. They take into consideration digital points real-time rankings from stream sites and factor in online voting from their applications and websites. So you mean to tell me what SK have been doing all this time cannot be counted as actual and official?

Even the likes of what you say actual awards as Mnet Asian Music Awards factors in social media activity for some of their awards. Since certain awards involve no digital points, in consideration could they be counted as official compared to the ones where judging, digital points and ranking are involved and being smaller than a year end award show?

And with regards to the edit, unless explicitly stated that it is in violation where format for a separate article must be made for awards and nominations, I don't see how there could be a problem. Commonly that format is used when said group has a substantial history as well as more categories unlike a younger group which haven't gone through much. Considering if multiple awards and nominations obtained exceeded let's say twenty, I see that then as sufficient for a separate article along with previous condition of a substantial history Trailblaze24 (talk) 15:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

And with regards to other groups, just mentioned it for the sake of being known. I find no problem with what you did but just find it odd that it was this page where you first immediately took action. And your justification of actual awards was kind of off Trailblaze24 (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

I still can't find a valid reason why you removed it from Momoland's page and now telling us to do the same for other artists where their music show wins are still posted under Awards and Nominations. of all artists, why single out Momoland when there are far more popular artists that could have more views on Wikipedia. If your intent is to draw the line between music show wins and year-end awards to avoid confusion to readers, then why not do it for all to ensure fairness in this community. Asking us to do it to other groups is illogical since our goal is to put those distinctions under Momoland's name and not to make other groups/fandoms go through the same discrimation that we feel Momoland's getting right now. If you really did the edits in good faith, better do the same for other groups yourself. Chubbybangs (talk)

See above about otherstuff, if I delete it from here it does not mean that I am obligated to remove it from all other pages as well, its like saying that you cannot update the stats of Cristiano Ronaldo unless you'll also update the stats of all other Serie A players as well or something. I wont even bother replying to that nonsense about fandoms, Wikipedia is not a fanpage for fandoms to compete which group have more irrelevant fancruft awards listed in the articles, go to forums or kpop wikia with that. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't put that fandom stuff here. You're the one not giving a proper explanation when needed and not just the not actual awards you keep pushing then saying fancruft. Seems you didn't read previous explanation.

Just tell us if you want a separate article made about it rather than hiding behind the guise of being "fancruft". Other groups literally have it stated along with what you say actual awards are. So what makes it different from them? Trailblaze24 (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Music show 1st places are not an awards and should be mentioned only in the prose IF they are notable to even be mentioned, and again, it doesnt matter what other groups have in their articles, I wont bother deleting those "awards" from big groups with many wins because there would be more fan-operated WP:SPA's like you two, which would adding it back every time. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for what happened. I won't bother you again. Also please don't bother the other user anymore that would be great.They had no part and I was the one who initiated the conversation. You're clearly well versed with the guidelines and proved it. Doesn't mean I agree with you but I know when odds are stacked against me. I'll take my leave. Trailblaze24 (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Just to confirm here, as I have said on my talkpage and other places this discussion (inadvertently) ended up on I agree with the comments provided by User:Snowflake91 that these specific wins should not be included. With this I am not saying they did not win or that I did not like them winning, however I feel like the award section should be used for awards shows where you win an actual award in a relevant category and not single wins on a music show. I support removing it from other pages also. Redalert2fan (talk) 14:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Users involved in this section might be interested in joining the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Popular_culture#Are_music_show_wins_notable?. Redalert2fan (talk) 11:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Member Updates

Hi! Change current Members. Change Daisy and Teaha to Former Members Johnallen008 (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Source? Snowflake91 (talk) 12:22, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, these members are currently on hiatus and have not left the group, so they are still current members. They are still listed on MLD entertainment website as part of the group. Redalert2fan (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Redalert2fan (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

all members have ended their contracts with mld

https://www.soompi.com/article/1564471wpp/all-6-momoland-members-part-ways-with-mld-entertainment

feels like this is something of importance to add. 2601:586:4000:32F0:71F6:98F4:2B05:9AED (talk) 18:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@2601:586:4000:32F0:71F6:98F4:2B05:9AED it is already in the article Momoland. Lightoil (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@2601:586:4000:32F0:71F6:98F4:2B05:9AED As Lightoil mentioned above, the information is already included in the article, see the last sentence in Momoland#2020–present: Starry Night, international expansion, Ready or Not, Yummy Yummy Love, and departure from MLD. If you looking for why we're not stating they have disband, fyi, departing from MLD is not equal to disband, unless you've reliable sources that isn't WP:SYNTH explictly stating so of which even MLD didn't even stated it in their official statement, otherwise the status quo will remain as it's currently. — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 06:04, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Remove official website

Should we remove MLD's official website link since they're no longer signed to that label? AshenFountain (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

No, I would suggest archiving it though. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 21:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)