Talk:Mohawk Airlines Flight 411/GA1

GA Reassessment

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This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, listed below. I will check back in seven days. If these issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far.

Reviewer: --Malleus Fatuorum 14:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• Do we know anything about the 11 passengers on board?
  • They all died. If your question is who they were, I have not seen any sources for that. Crum375 (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• There's no mention of the cockpit voice recorder or the plane's black box.
  • The CVR tape was destroyed in the post-crash fire, but the FDR was recovered intact; I'll add this to the article. Crum375 (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• I think the "lee of the mountain" effect needs a brief explanation.
  • This is a direct quote from the NTSB report. We need a secondary source to interpret it properly. There is Lee wave on WP, but it refers to the wave effect, not the basic downdraft which occurs on the lee side of any mountain any time the wind is blowing. I couldn't find any good verbiage to link to on WP, but I can look around some more. Crum375 (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
    • The article already has the following text which relates to the same effect mentioned in the 'probable cause' statement: "It was subsequently determined that a 60-knot (110 km/h) southerly wind created a downdraft effect which, coupled with the aircraft's low altitude over the terrain, contributed to the crash." Crum375 (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Investigation and final report

• "The northern approach, called 'VOR/DME 19', was not legally available to the crew ...". The official reports says it was unauthorised by Mohawk, not that it was illegal.
  • "Illegal" in aviation means it is in violation of the applicable Federal Aviation Regulations, which by U.S. federal law control all private and commercial flying. If Mohawk disallowed a procedure in its own internal regulations, for a Mohawk crew to fly it would be just as illegal as any other unapproved procedure, since Mohawk's procedures are an integral part of its government-approved operating license. In this case, the crew actually flew what appears to be a home-brewed procedure, not even the one disallowed by Mohawk. Crum375 (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

References

• Full details including publisher and last accessdate should be given for all sources.
  • You are right, it needs some work. Crum375 (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
    • I have added access date to one, and moved the other to EL, as it's no longer used as a ref. Also added coords, while at it. Crum375 (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• OK, that's good enough for me. Thanks for attending to this so promptly Crum375. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your review and re-promotion. Crum375 (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.