Talk:Mohammad Najibullah

Hi

Hi, Why was the version from 16:45, 17 February 2006 145.253.233.54 reverted? What's wrong about the Afghanistan Justice Project? Thank you

There is nothing wrong with that investigation, but it must also be fair, NPOV and a webpage that summarise its objectives. Messhermit 00:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The Afghanistan Justice Project is a multinational organisation, compared to Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. It consists of Americans, Afghan Intellectuals and people from many other countries that are working up the Afghan history (Communist, Mujaheddin, Taliban and Northern Allicane). If you don't accept their "reports" then we would also have to remove all references to hrw and ai from Wikipedia - right?

you are not answering the question: it is NPOV and a serious investigation? Messhermit 16:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, definitely! I'm the webmaster of an Afghan website and I'm taking extreme precautions for my site not to be associated to any non-neutral organisation. The past years of studies have only left ai, hrw and the ajp as neutral entities. Please read the last few sentences of the text at the bottom of this page: http://www.afghanistanjusticeproject.org/

So far, I find the AJP an interesting source that claims to be NPOV. But something that I'm extremely concern is how far this neutrality will go: Are both afghan communist and afghan extremists tried in the same way? or do we have some sort of labels for them that justify their actions?.

Information that contains serious accusations as massacres or human right violations, a link must be provided with the details behind that. If you can provide a link, your contributions are more than welcome. Messhermit 18:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, all parties are tried the same way. The AJP has released several reports on different eras and regimes in Afghanistan. The AJP has interviewed people in and outside of Afghanistan and the reports follow the same structure as reports published by ai and hrw. It's basically ai or hrw focused solely on Afghanistan.

Hi again... so can I quote the AJP from now on? :-)

oh! I tough that you were going to do it from now on. Feel free to write, but remember to put a link next to each paragraph in support or against this afghan President. Remember, sources are always important to corroborate the ideas. Messhermit 15:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do that. Thanks! :-)

{{NPOV}} The French translation of this biography has been criticized for partial opinions. See "Mohammed Nadjibullah" (NPOV). The author praises Najib's works, but forgets that this MD was a torturer and a murderer when he was head of the sadly famous "Khad"...

This biography appears to be a praise of Najib. See his action as head of the "Khad"...--Obeyd 07:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I have replaced the mention "NPOV" which has been cancelled. See thediscussion above and in the French version. Obeyd 15:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Perso-Arabic script name

Unless my Arabic's totally deserted me, his name is given as "Doctor Najibullah" in the Perso-Arabic script. Surely it should read "Mohammad Najibullah", since that was his actual name rather than his title? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Communist Rulers

Since Najibullah was a Communist, I thought it pertinent to add him to the "communist rulers" category.- p1nkfl0yd, 01:29, June 19, 2008 (PST)

"death" section

The grammar on that section of the article currently makes it impossible to understand. "General Tokhi, who was with Dr. Najibullah until the day before was murdered, wrote that: when three people came to Dr. Najibullah and General. Tokhi and asked them to come with them to flee Kabul, they rejected this offer. They didn't trust Massoud and his people so it was Najibullah's big mistake. Tokhi said that this could be a trap of Massoud to kill them. He thought Talibans are all his pashtoons they won't kill them but that was wrong, This is supported by General Tokhi's letters." If that is a quote from Tokhi, it should be made clear that it is, and additionally it should be made clearer as to what he was talking about.174.57.188.50 (talk) 00:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The whole article needs a lot of work in both NPOV and clarity. It reads like it was written by a young Afghan Communist with a flimsy grasp of the English language. --NEMT (talk)

A prisoner has no right to choose. Dr. Najibullah was at least a president with knowledge.He would never ever jeopardize own life just because of his ethnological back ground to trust Taliban not a Massoud

Link [55] in the external links is now dead, and trying to edit it doesn't give me the ability to remove it. The link is about the torture and death, and should go to a Times article.

The article notes that Najibullah believed himself to be safe from the Taliban because they were both Ghilzai Pashtuns. But, according to Ahmed Rashid's book "Taliban", that is incorrect. The Taliban leadership consisted of Durrani Pashtuns. Ghilzai Pashtuns were often recruited into the army but they were denied any real power whatsoever. If you want to say that he didn't believe fellow Pashtuns would kill him, that would be understandable. But the men who butchered him and who ordered his murder were Durrani Pashtuns.

The part about how Massoud and Najibullah had known each other since childhood has no relevance whatsoever for this section. The insinuation behind it was that Massoud was influenced by his childhood memories of Najibullah to offer him a safe passage out of Kabul. In reality, however, there is not a shred of evidence for this proposition. That is why a link to a source was also missing for a long time, and it felt appropriate to delete such ungrounded psychologists claims. Also, the selective usage of General Tokhi's testimony about how Massoud indeed did send men to the UN compound is very troublesome. If Tokhi's testimony is to be used, it should also be mentioned that Tokhi unambiguously states that Najibullah did not rely on the Taliban for his safety, but mistrusted Massoud because his militia had occasionally fired rockets at the UN compound. They also effectively barred him from fleeing Kabul in the period 1992-1996 whereas they had provided a safe passage for other high ranking officials from the communist party in that same period. I had posted this link before. And it is my hope hat it won't be deleted again by those who are untruthful and selective in their understanding of history.

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Najibullah the martyr?

The name in Arabic script for Najibullah in the infobox does not match the name in the article - instead it says his last name is Najiballah "shaheed", which assuming the Arabic/Urdu/Persian meanings for that phrase are all the same (and I think they are), means his name now reads "Najibullah the martyr".

It's possible that this is his actual name, but it doesn't match the name in the article. Does anyone have a source that can confirm his full name? Either way, the two names ought to match. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.39.130 (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Policies??

I came to this page to investigate a claim by Chomsky: "I mean if you take a look at the serious history after the Russians withdrew, they left behind the Najibullah government, which was pretty reasonable in many ways." In particular, I wanted to know about how his regime treated women and its stance toward democracy and a comparison of his policies compared to those of both Western countries and the Mujahadeen. I couldn't find this information on the page, but thought it might be useful. Not sure how neutral such an assessment might be.[[subst:unsigned|Sharifyounes |16:29, 15 April 2015}}

Taking Noam Chomsky serious in politics is fraught with danger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.34.139 (talk) 02:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

zensunni views to the events

princess irulan corrino is with strong suppose that so-called 'talib' movement is something from 'a-field-of-poorly-designed-science-fiction' --furthermore she said that some writers could drive the resource for to draw those scenes timelines etc; (konzept by worm); --Eine erste hai (talk) 06:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I cannot understand your comment.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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Why is he titled "Second President of Afghanistan"?

In the infobox he is listed as the "second president of Afghanistan, even though Daoud and Taraki came before him? Why is Taraki not counted as the President? Several Documentaries may refer to Tarak in 1978-79 as the President with Hafizullah Amin as the Prime Minister. So Can it be changed instead to "Second President of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan" or "Third President of Afghanistan"? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 06:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Portrait image taken off for no reason, must be restored

Unfortunately the perfectly well suited formal portrait of Najibullah was removed for a cited reason of "higher resolution" on 04:44, 20 May 2023‎ by User:Fortnitegamer3432 despite the fact that the replacement image is not of great quality either or as visually suitable. The Previous Portrait was then wiped due to it not being usef in any article thus its gone. The Current Image has also been listed as "own work" for some reason.
Someone can restore the old formal portrait back to this wikipedia page, linked from this website here: https://m.fotostrana.ru/public/post/235888/2198843457/

Actual image: https://i08.fotocdn.net/s127/721199201f677651/public_pin_l/2891444274.jpg 49.185.97.46 (talk) 12:38, 31 May 2023 (UTC)