Jump to content

Talk:Mitsuharu Misawa

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Good articleMitsuharu Misawa has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 29, 2020Good article nomineeListed
On this day...A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 13, 2023.

5 Star match

[edit]

Should we put all the Wrestleing Observer Newsletter 5 Star matches like in Kenta Kobashi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.161.69.82 (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Cause of death

[edit]

As Misawa's family has chosen to request confidentiality regarding his cause of death, it is not certain whether it was a heart attack that killed him; others have speculated a brain injury. Could it possibly be noted that, while he did die after losing consciousness during his match, the exact cause of death is unknown? 24.187.128.89 (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Police announced the cause of his death was cervical cord damage.[1] Some English media misreported it was a heart attack, because AED was used after his pulse was flatted.--Cervelo21 (talk) 11:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moves list

[edit]

I suggest that the corckscrew lariat, and the name kai for the emerald flowsion variation should be added, both are very well know facts that exist, also is should be put at least the rolling elbow as a finisher, why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EmeraldTiger (talk • contribs) 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why would someone remove the section that contains the lsit of moves??? I mean, this is something Important, it's just like removing their accomplishments Baal616 (talk) 04:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move List...Again!

[edit]

Why the hell doesnt appear the rolling elbow as a finisher move? You cant list the rolling elbow, or running elbow as just a signature, maybe it is one of Misawa's most well known finishers!!!!!!

And what is that crap os the discus lariat? he never used it!!!! just cause it figure on www.onlineworldofwrestling.com?


ONLINEWORLDOFWRESTLING.COM IS NOT A TRUSTEABLE PAGE!!!!!

IT SAID THAT ONE OF KEIJI MUTOH'S FINISHERS IS "THE DRAGON SCREW"! Is just a signature!

Come guys someone put the hands on work, this is maybe the most important figure in japanese pro wrestling!!!! it cant have a move that he has never did!!!!!!!!!

RESPOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by EmeraldTiger (talk • contribs) 22:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wrist Clutch Tiger?

[edit]

Im a big Misawa Fan.I'Ve watched so many Matches from him,but I NEVER seen him used a WRIST Clutch Tiger Suplex? When debuted he the move? Against who? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.64.202 (talk) 13:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Mitsuharu Misawa. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 20:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Mitsuharu Misawa. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:59, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Six stars, are you shining just for me?

[edit]

I'm pretty sure that this supposed "6-stars match" involving Kawada and Misawa - which I believe has only been mentioned, and in a very carefree fashion, by Meltzer on Twitter - is mentioned nowhere in the linked articles. -_-

EDIT. Okay, here are the facts. The match's actual rating was "*****+" (five stars "plus") back in the day, a rating given to some matches Meltzer really digged in the 90s. Since then, it always had the distinction of being perhaps the most famous "5-star" in existence. This was until this year's Wrestle Kingdom [http://starratingslist.blogspot.it/2009/09/wrestling-observer-5-star-ratings-list.html http://deathvalleydriver.com/forum/index.php?/topic/2528-the-definitive-observer-star-ratings-list/]; Meltzer gave six stars to the Main Event of WK (Okada/Omega) and then added on Twitter something like "I think I gave Misawa/Kawada six stars" when answering a fan's questions. Afterwards, he erroneously referenced the Power Series match like something he had given six stars "before" [2]. This is obviously wrong, though, because all the historical documentation goes against it. I'm not sure it can even count as a retroactive change to the original five stars, given that there's the big chance Meltzer was glaringly misremembering his own stuff and nothing else (regardless of the fact he would probably give it these new "six stars" now). The most important discriminating factor, is that "five plus" and "six" were used as different votes (Okada/Omega is not labeled like a "*****+" in the WON, it has "******" reported as the rating; Misawa/ Kawada is on the other hand a "*****+").

--2.40.248.3 (talk) 21:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Misawa/Kawada from 1997 is *****+, not 1994. 78.125.203.159 (talk) 12:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Mitsuharu Misawa. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:45, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Mitsuharu Misawa. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In wrestling

[edit]

Glad to see this section hasn't been touched by HHH pedigrees elitism Bildeberg (talk) 17:55, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

cause of death ref?

[edit]

The Sun is a source that literally can't be trusted for Wikipedia (WP:RSP#The_Sun), and the Japanese link above from 2009 doesn't work and didn't make it into the Internet Archive. Is there any usable reference for this? - David Gerard (talk) 07:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

[edit]
GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review is transcluded from Talk:Mitsuharu Misawa/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Scope creep (talk · contribs) 15:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Review

[edit]

Copyvio

[edit]

Completed the copyvio. It was 76%, but it all common naming, standard nomenclature, e.g. match names, and so. I can't see any real copyvio. Coolio.  Done

Prose

[edit]

The prose looks, no spelling mistake, it is well structured. There is some stuff I've spotted, so i'll go through section by section. It is very well written.

Lede

[edit]
  • Four Pillars of Heaven What is it. There is no context. Is there a link.
The first link cited explained it, but it appears to no longer be available. I've added an archived link and modified the citation accordingly. Would it help to say that they were known "under the informal nomenclature of the..." or something to that effect? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yip, that would be ideal. There is loads and loads of links on that name, as the four people [3]. I think most people would know what it, but is very specific to those four.
Changed it to "Misawa was known alongside Toshiaki Kawada, Kenta Kobashi, and Akira Taue under the informal nomenclature of AJPW's Four Pillars of Heaven...". TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is better in the interim. If there is an article on it, then it can change and be linked.  Done
  • ōdō Is there a section in, that it can linked to.
It's in a subsection of the legacy section. Will link it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is fine.  Done
  • tape-traders What is that? no context
There is a Wiki page on the phenomenon (it refers to the unofficial postal distribution of various audiovisual media in certain fan communities; it's probably most famous for its association with Grateful Dead concert bootlegs). Linking it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They have that uk, but not called that.  Done
  • wrestled as through the decade's end could that be "wrestled as, through to the decade's end"
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Early life

[edit]
  • moved with his family Nitpick probably, sounds like there is a choice involved.
Changed to "but the family moved". TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • All Japan product Can that be linked somewhere. What product is it??
I was simply referring to AJPW, and probably worded it that way to subconsciously avoid repetition. A prose habit that isn't always appropriate for this manner of writing. Changed it to AJPW. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • pursue vocation pursue a vocation
done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Misawa would have significant success in amateur wrestling did have significant success?
He did win nationals, as the next sentence covered. However, I suppose that isn't really significant in the grand scheme of things, and it's not a necessary sentence, so I just cut it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine.  Done

Debut

[edit]
  • round-robin tournament link it.
done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • for his preliminary wrestlers What does mean exactly?
In this context it means the wrestlers who were relegated to the first matches on AJPW events. It refers to their stature as wrestlers within the company, but I realize that this concept may be tricky to communicate, and am open to suggestions. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Changed it to "lower-ranked". Does that work? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
that is fine.  Done
  • brother "his brother"
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Baba had intended to send the tournament winner on a foreign excursion, but while Misawa lost the match, he was perceived as the superior talent (despite Koshinaka being three years his senior), and Baba decided to send them both "Baba had intended to send the tournament winner on a foreign excursion, but while Misawa lost the match, he was perceived as the superior talent, despite Koshinaka being three years his senior, so Baba decided to send them both".
Done.
Doesn't look done?
You were right, sorry. I think I had multiple tabs editing the page open and made the change on one that I closed without saving it. It's changed now. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That coolio  Done
  • jump from the corner post Is that in-world speak? You will need to explain it.
It refers to attacks in professional wrestling that are performed by jumping from the top turnbuckle. There is a page for Professional wrestling aerial techniques; would linking to that suffice? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tiger Mask and unmasking

[edit]
  • mangaka Can this be linked?
Added. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • While he was the most remembered rival of the original Tiger Mask, by this time Tom Billingston (and his tag partner Davey Boy Smith) had problems making time to work Japan due to signing with the WWF (even though their pay in Japan was better), so Kobayashi became Misawa's most notable feud in this period
Can you improve this. It doesn't make any kind of sense.
Reworded it as "While he was Sayama's most notable rival during his time as Tiger Mask, the Dynamite Kid had signed with the WWF by this time, so Kobayashi became Misawa's most notable rival in this period." Is this an improvement? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is much better. Please change it.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is better, but still an explanation needed.
While he was Sayama's most notable rival during his time as Tiger Mask, the Dynamite Kid had signed with the WWF by this time, so Kobayashi became Misawa's most notable feud in this period
Is the dynamite kid and the same as Kobayashi. It reads that way. Doesn't it need an explanation.
It is explained in the previous sentenced. Close this.  Done


  • Their first match on February 1 ended in double disqualification (Kobayashi ripped up Misawa's mask and busted him open by running him into the ring post), and a rematch at Sumo Hall on March 9 ended in double count-out Can that split into 2 sentences.
Done. I also changed Sumo Hall to its Japanese name of Ryōgoku Kokugikan, since it is referenced under that name later in the article (and moved the Wiki link to the subject article accordingly), and because while it the most famous venue known as Sumo Hall, the phrase "Sumo Hall" itself is an ambiguous one. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Their first match on February 1 ended in double disqualification (Kobayashi ripped up Misawa's mask and busted him open by running him into the ring post), and a rematch at Sumo Hall on March 9 ended in double count-out
Can you split it. Their first match on February 1 ended in double disqualification, with Kobayashi ripping up Misawa's mask and busting him open by running him into the ring post. A rematch at Sumo Hall on March 9 ended in double count-out. Removed two brackets.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is better. One flows out the other.  Done
  • Misawa blew out his knee before the match Can that be "injured his knew". Does it need to be in in-world language speak.
"Blown knee" is a colloquialism for the Unhappy triad, an injury common amongst athletes. I'll changed it to "injured his knee" as suggested. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It might be worth as blown knee, since it is a recognised term and it has an article, link it??
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is fine.  Done
  • The aerial style which Misawa had been made to adopt under the Tiger Mask II gimmick strained his knees (according to Masanobu Fuchi, Misawa was actually more interested in working a ground-based style[55]), and years later, he would comment that it was more difficult to elicit crowd reaction when working under the hood, and since the audience expected the superhuman from the Tiger Mask character, crowds were more difficult to impress during this period than they were after his unmasking Vast sentence, and try and remove the brackets. Needs split up, e.g.
e.g "According to Masanobu Fuchi, Misawa was actually more interested in working a ground-based style[55], but adopted the aerial style under the Tiger Mask II gimmick, which eventually strained his knees"
Changed as suggested. The second part about Misawa's comments on the difficulty of performing as Tiger Mask strikes me at the moment as perhaps excessive, so I've cut it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The aerial style which Misawa had been made to adopt under the Tiger Mask II gimmick strained his knees (according to Masanobu Fuchi, Misawa was actually more interested in working a ground-based style[55]), and years later, he would comment that it was more difficult to elicit crowd reaction when working under the hood, and since the audience expected the superhuman from the Tiger Mask character, crowds were more difficult to impress during this period than they were after his unmasking.
You will need to split it up into 2 or 3 sentences. Still too big. Try this
"The aerial style which Misawa had been made to adopt under the Tiger Mask II gimmick strained his knees. Aaccording to Masanobu Fuchi, Misawa was actually more interested in working a ground-based style[55], and years later, he would comment that it was more difficult to elicit crowd reaction when working under the hood. Nonetheless, since the audience expected the superhuman from the Tiger Mask character, crowds were more difficult to impress during this period than they were after his unmasking"
It's been changed. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's coolio.  Done
  • On April 19, 1986, Misawa and Baba participated in the Crockett Cup, a single-elimination tag team tournament held at the Louisiana Superdome; they reached the quarterfinals, where they lost to eventual second-place team Ronnie Garvin and Magnum T.A.. Two full stops. Could not also be two sentences. I don't see the point of the semi-colon.
done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Still looks the same, and still the semi-colon and the full stops. Change it please.
Done now. Again, the perils of editing in multiple tabs.
That cool.  Done


  • pinfalls Can it be linked.
Added. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Misawa transitioned into being Tsuruta's occasional tag partner as Tsuruta's feud with Genichiro Tenryu became AJPW's main program,[31] and on July 3, Misawa and Tsuruta won the PWF World Tag Team Championship from Ted DiBiase and Stan Hansen by count-out, which they held for eight days before dropping them back to the previous champions Could that be two sentences making it a better read.
It's been split up. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • however with possibly?
This was a quote from Meltzer's obituary (both parts of which - it was split across two issues of his Wrestling Observer Newsletter - are extensively cited in the article). I'll add "according to Meltzer (who has been previously mentioned in full as "professional wrestling journalist and historian Dave Meltzer"). TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Budokan Can it be linked.
This is the common abbreviation of the Nippon Budokan, which was linked in its previous citation. Should there be a parenthetical in its previous linkage referring to this standard shortening (which is mentioned in the first sentence of the Wiki article on the venue)? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If it has been previously linked then that is fine.
 Done
  • On AJPW's first card What is first card? Does it need a link?
First card means first event; card is a somewhat in-world term for the format in which wrestling events are structured. Changed it to "event". TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • countout Can be linked.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Misawa won by countout, but the title did not change hands (which was very controversial at the time, since titles frequently changed hands via countout in Japan) Is it possible to remove the brackets. Its referenced, so assuming the bracket contents are referenced as well.
Done. I can split it into two sentences if the result is too unwieldy. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Change it please. It reads better with two sentences.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks better  Done
  • He ruptured his left ACL during the match, and was inactive for the rest of 1989 Expand the ACL. There is no need for it.
The ACL abbreviation has been taken out. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Feud with Jumbo Tsuruta and first Triple Crown victory

[edit]
  • Tsuruta's stable Can you link stable. It sound in-world speak. It could be normal.
Added link to its entry in the glossary of wrestling terms wiki page. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Korakuen Hall Where is it?
It is Tokyo.
Realized I hadn't made this change. Done now. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • During the third of these matches, at Korakuen Hall on May 26, Tsuruta bullied Misawa's partners, Kobashi and Akira Taue, by knocking them off the apron unprovoked, but when he tapped the active Misawa's shoulder minutes later, Misawa retaliated with an elbow strike that downed Tsuruta for several minutes.[72] Can you split this, e.g. "During the third of these matches, at Korakuen Hall on May 26, Tsuruta bullied Misawa's partners, Kobashi and Akira Taue, by knocking them off the apron unprovoked" "However, when he tapped the active Misawa's shoulder minutes later, Misawa retaliated with an elbow strike that downed Tsuruta for several minutes.[72]"
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • Budokan Can this be linked?
See my prior comment on Budokan. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • Baba was convinced in consultation with wrestling journalist Tarzan Yamamoto that Misawa had to defeat Tsuruta by pinfall,[6][75] and according to a now-famous backstage story which has been recounted several times by Meltzer, Baba's decision to put Misawa over came during the event itself as, in the culmination of a trend that had been observed at house shows leading to this, Baba arrived at the venue to fans chanting "Misawa" outside, and noticed a significant boost in Misawa merchandise sales Split up.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done thats cool.
  • While this show had drawn about 500 shy of a sellout (though even this attendance figure was rare at the time for All Japan[77]), the momentum of Misawa's push led All Japan to sell out every event they held in Tokyo thereafter until early 1996
Reorder and remove brackets
Would splitting suffice after removing the brackets? e.g. "This show had drawn about 500 shy of a sellout, which was a rare attendance figure for All Japan. However, the momentum of Misawa's push led All Japan to sell out every event they held in Tokyo after this until early 1996." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think two brackets slows down the reading of it.
That is much better.  Done



  • On February 26, Misawa and Kawada unsuccessfully challenged Satsujin Gyorai (Terry Gordy and Steve Williams) for the World Tag Team championships in Sendai; during the match, Misawa was knocked out in kayfabe by a Gordy powerbomb to the arena floor, which left Kawada to fight the champions alone Can you just not say something like

"On February 26, Misawa and Kawada unsuccessfully challenged Terry Gordy and Steve Williams of Satsujin Gyorai for the World Tag Team championships in Sendai. During the match...

Terry Gordy and Steve Williams of Satsujin Gyorai seems to imply that Satsujin Gyorai consisted of more than just those two people, but I can change it for now. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you can fix it someway that is satisfying, eg. "challenged Satsujin Gyorai, consisting in part by Terry Gordy and Steve Williams...."
How about "the team of Terry Gordy and Steve Williams, known as Satsujin Gyorai"? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Can you link Gordy powerbomb and Sendai.
Powerbomb has been linked. Sendai already was. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • Misawa injured his shoulder in July and missed a few small dates, but was forced back into action before he was ready (and worked matches while wearing a sling[99]) Can that not be one sentence.
It's been split and reordered by placing the following point about Tsuruta in between the two points. "Misawa injured his shoulder in July and missed a few small dates.[99] However, Tsuruta was also absent from the tour (for what was initially reported as a knee injury,[99] and then as a case of gout upon his return,[100] but was actually more serious), and AJPW did not want to lose both of their biggest draws for a whole tour.[101] As a result, Misawa was forced back into action before he was ready, and worked matches while wearing a sling.[99]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can you say something like this:
"However, Tsuruta was also absent from the tour, for what was initially reported as a knee injury,[99] and then as a case of gout upon his return,[100] but was actually more serious, and AJPW did not want to lose both of their biggest draws for a whole tour."
The "However, Tsuruta was also absent from the tour", doesn't have a reason for absence, so the brackets are not needed. Brackets were used in back in the day, first half of 20th century and earlier, to explain concepts with additional with additional factual support, incidental. But they are not really used now with modern technical writting, were the whole sentence is closed, all parts are explained by some clause. That is the modern of doing it, making it easier to read by the reader, and stopping the reader making a step change, every time they come across one.
Brackets removed. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not the smallest sentence, but it has cut a good bit off it.  Done

Feud with Toshiaki Kawada and teaming with Kenta Kobashi (1993–1995)

[edit]
  • In early March 1993, Kawada announced that he would no longer work as Misawa's tag partner after the advertised matches on the tour had been fulfilled, but at this time he denied that he would join up with the remains of Jumbo's faction, who were being led by Akira Taue
Split into two sentences, quite big.
 Done.
  • Misawa entered the 1993 Champion Carnival and reached the finals to face Hansen again, who defeated him for his second Carnival victory on April 21 in Yokohama,[84][113] but Misawa made a successful Triple Crown defense against Hansen on May 21 in Sapporo
Split into two sentences. e.g. "Nevetheless, isawa made a successful Triple Crown defense against Hansen on May 21 in Sapporo", or something like that.
 Done
  • After this, Misawa and Kobashi unsuccessfully challenged the Holy Demon Army for the World Tag Team championships (which the HDA had won from Satsujin Gyorai twelve days earlier, ending that team's fifth and final reign) on June 1
Reading it your not sure of the June 1 but at the end. Split it, and put the "which the HDA had won from Satsujin Gyorai twelve days earlier, ending that team's fifth and final reign" in a second sentence.
Still not right??
My apologies, I didn't notice this. Does this work? "On May 20, the HDA won the World Tag Team championships from Satsujin Gyorai on May 20, ending their fifth and final reign. Misawa and Kobashi unsuccessfully challenged them for the championships on June 1." Changed to this for now.
 Done
  • Misawa and Kobashi then won their first World Tag Team championship together, defeating the Holy Demon Army (whose championship reign had ended in September, against Hansen and Ted DiBiase) in the finals of the 1993 WSTDL for the vacated belts, and marking Misawa's second victory at the annual tournament.
Split this vast sentence up. Potentially putting the bracket content in a note, but reorder.
Changed to "Misawa and Kobashi entered the 1993 WSTDL, and defeated the Holy Demon Army in the finals. This marked Misawa's second victory at the annual tournament, and his first tag championship reign with Kobashi." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is much better.  Done
  • six-star rating six star rating, what is it. Can it be linked?
It was linked in the lede, but I did so again. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This far down, it is ideal.  Done
  • This match was the second to receive a six-star rating from Dave Meltzer—and would be the last one to do so until 2017[131][8]—and has been specifically cited as one of the greatest professional wrestling matches of all time, and even the "consensus Greatest Match of All Time" from the tape-trading era of American puroresu fandom
I like the old style dash style, but it is still very long sentence.
Changed to "This match was the second to receive a six-star rating from Dave Meltzer, and would be the last one to do so until 2017.[131][8] It has been specifically cited as one of the greatest professional wrestling matches of all time, and even the "consensus Greatest Match of All Time" from the tape-trading era of American puroresu fandom.[24][11]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Much easier to read. Done
  • puroresu what is it. Is it previously linked probably?
It was linked in the lede, but I did so again. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • (Although they only defended the belts once, Misawa and Kobashi's first reign was the longest in the title's history for over a decade.) Bracket block on its. should be its own sentence.
 Done
  • On January 24, 1995, they successfully defended against the Holy Demon Army, working to a time limit draw; the story of this match had Kawada knock out Misawa with a punch to the chin at the 24-minute mark, forcing Kobashi to essentially work a handicap match for 25 minutes, after which Misawa recovered to make a successful comebac
Please split this long sentence.
Changed to "On January 24, 1995, they successfully defended against the Holy Demon Army, working to a time limit draw. The story of this match had Kawada knock out Misawa with a punch to the chin at the 24-minute mark, which forced Kobashi to essentially work a handicap match for 25 minutes. However, Misawa recovered to make a successful comeback." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • In the 1995 Champion Carnival, Misawa advanced to the finals with seven wins and three draws; despite reportedly suffering a broken orbital bone after a Kawada kick during a match on April 6 which ended in a time-limit draw,[148][149] Misawa did not miss any shows, and he won the Carnival against Taue on April 15
Split this as well. The second seems to be almost a different term type.
Changed to "Misawa entered the 1995 Champion Carnival. Despite reportedly suffering a broken orbital bone after a Kawada kick during a match on April 6 which ended in a time-limit draw,[148][149] Misawa did not miss any shows. He proceeded to the finals with seven wins and three draws, and won the Carnival against Taue on April 15.[150] " TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Misawa and Kobashi lost the tag titles in the Tokyo Sports match of the year on June 9, when the Holy Demon Army defeated them at Budokan; what made this match particularly significant is that it was the first time Kawada got a pinfall over Misawa in their rivalry, as well as the first time Misawa himself had lost a pinfall to anyone since Williams had defeated him for the Triple Crown
Split it up. Even with the semi-colon it is still enormous.
Changed to "Misawa and Kobashi lost the tag titles in the Tokyo Sports match of the year on June 9, when the Holy Demon Army defeated them at Budokan. What made this match particularly significant is that it was the first time Kawada got a pinfall over Misawa in their rivalry, as well as the first time Misawa himself had lost a pinfall to anyone since Williams had defeated him for the Triple Crown." If the second sentence is still too large I can split it again. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Teaming with Jun Akiyama (1996–1998)

[edit]
  • Misawa then entered the 1997 Champion Carnival. Unlike the previous two years, Misawa reached the finals, with nine wins, two losses (to Kobashi and Williams), and one draw (against Kawada). Brackets are not needed. losses and draw are already introduced.
Brackets removed.
 Done
  • after they won, Kobashi thanked Misawa with a handshake. Make this a separate sentence. It is already closed.
Done.
 Done
  • On a sold-out July 25 Budokan show, Misawa made a successful title defense against Taue,[171] but on August 26 in Sapporo, he and Akiyama lost a title match for their second World Tag Team reign against Albright and Williams when Albright pinned Misawa with a dragon suplex Split this.
Split and slightly reworded to "On a sold-out July 25 Budokan show, Misawa made a successful title defense against Taue.[171] On August 26 in Sapporo, though, he and Akiyama lost a world tag title shot against Albright and Williams when Albright pinned Misawa with a dragon suplex.[172]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • On September 6, Misawa defeated Akiyama in his first Triple Crown title match,[173] and in October, Misawa made two more successful defenses ten days apart, against Williams on October 11 in Fukuoka and Kobashi on October 21 at the Budokan during AJPW's 25th anniversary card Too long
Changed to "On September 6, Misawa defeated Akiyama in his first Triple Crown title match.[173] In October, Misawa made two more successful defenses ten days apart. The first was against Williams on October 11 in Fukuoka, and the second was against Kobashi on October 21 at the Budokan, during AJPW's 25th anniversary event.[174][175]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • (AJPW announced a sellout, but it was reported as actually having been 800 shy of that) Make this separate sentence. "At the match, AJPW announced a sellout, but it was reported as actually having been 800 less than the maximum seating capacity"
Changed to "Misawa and Akiyama entered the 1997 WSTDL, and reached the finals against the Holy Demon Army again, to lose at Budokan on December 5. AJPW announced the show had sold out, but it was reported as actually having drawn 800 seats below the Budokan's maximum capacity." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • this February 28 event was the first in a Budokan sellout streak that would last until Misawa's departure from AJPW Split this into another sentence. Slight different concept.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • three draws (against Akiyama, Hansen, and Kawada), and one loss (to Taue) Unbracket. No need to be in brackets. Tough dude.
Done. Split the part about his mounting injuries into its own sentence. "Misawa entered the 1998 Champion Carnival, and proceeded to the finals with eight wins, three draws against Akiyama, Hansen, and Kawada, and one loss to Taue. This was despite various neck and back injuries, a broken finger, and a broken left kneecap, the latter of which was suffered during a match on April 6 against Ace." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Final years (1998–2000)

[edit]
  • While he had had creative influence before this, it was around September when Misawa took over the booker position almost entirely after he threatened to start his own promotion,[191] though Baba still booked the Triple Crown programs and finishes through the end of 1998 "and finishes through to the end of 1998"
I would try and split it.
Split into "While he had had creative influence before this, it was around September when Misawa took over the booker position almost entirely after he reportedly threatened to start his own promotion.[191] However, Baba still booked the Triple Crown programs and finishes through the end of 1998.[192][193]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • On January 22, 1999, Misawa lost the Triple Crown to Kawada in his first defense, but Kawada vacated it the next day as, seven minutes into the match,[197] he had delivered a spinning backfist to the back of Misawa's head with such force that he broke his right forearm and wrist Quite long. Split it at "he had"
Split into "On January 22, 1999, Misawa lost the Triple Crown to Kawada in his first defense, but Kawada vacated it the next day. Seven minutes into the match,[197] he had delivered a spinning backfist to the back of Misawa's head with such force that he broke his right forearm and wrist.[198]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (with no severance package) Is core to the article
Brackets removed. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • After Misawa and Ogawa unsuccessfully challenged Kobashi and Akiyama for the tag titles in the semi-main event at a March 6 Budokan show,[201][202] Misawa placed third in the 1999 Champion Carnival,[32] and he defeated Vader for the Triple Crown championship on May 2, in the main event of the Giant Baba Retirement Show (so named because AJPW did not want to consider it a memorial event[6]) at the Tokyo Dome
split up vast sentence.
Split into three sentences for the various points. "After Misawa and Ogawa unsuccessfully challenged Kobashi and Akiyama for the tag titles in the semi-main event at a March 6 Budokan show.[201][202] Misawa placed third in the 1999 Champion Carnival.[32] He then defeated Vader for the Triple Crown championship on May 2, in the main event of the Giant Baba Retirement Show (so named because AJPW did not want to consider it a memorial event[6]) at the Tokyo Dome." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • One month later, on June 11, Misawa successfully defended against Kobashi at Budokan.[205][206] For the second consecutive year, Misawa and Kobashi won the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Match of the Year award, but Kobashi suffered a broken nose, and Misawa was so fatigued that, for the first time, reporters were not allowed to see him. It could be split
Changed to "One month later, on June 11, Misawa successfully defended against Kobashi at Budokan.[205][206] For the second consecutive year, Misawa and Kobashi won the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Match of the Year award. However, Kobashi suffered a broken nose, and Misawa was so fatigued that, for the first time, reporters were not allowed to see him.[205]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine:  Done
  • Tiger Driver '91 Really cool name. Can it be linked.
I explained the move when Misawa debuted it, way back in the beginning of the second paragraph of the "Feud with Jumbo Tsuruta and first Triple Crown victory (1990–1993)" section. It's not covered in another Wikipedia article, though I suppose I could fix that by putting it in the entry for the regular Tiger Driver in the Powerbomb article, and then link to it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I decided to do this by adding the variant's description to the relevant entry in the Powerbomb article, though I have already explained the TD91 previously in the Misawa article, and had linked the relevant Powerbomb entry there. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is a lot better:  Done


  • and Misawa booked a tournament for the titles from October 9–25 Split this out and explain it.
Changed to "They vacated the All Asia belts soon afterward, as the match was done to break up the monopoly No Fear had achieved in the company's tag division. Misawa then arranged a tournament for the All Asia titles from October 9–25, in which he and Ogawa did not participate." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • upon defeat by Vader "defeated by Vader"
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • single-elimination tournament link it, if it not linked.
There's actually an unlinked instance way back in the Tiger Mask section: "On April 19, 1986, Misawa and Baba participated in the Crockett Cup, a single-elimination tag team tournament held at..." I just linked to the article there. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It probably OK I think. I don't see the point having two links to the same article.  Done

Exodus (2000)

[edit]
  • While Misawa became company president in 1999, and had been head booker for several months before that, widow Motoko Baba held 85% of AJPW's shares (Nippon TV held the other 15%).[217] "the widow of Motoko Baba" ???
Shohei "Giant" Baba is the one who died; Motoko was his widow. That Motoko was his wife was previously stated in the passage about his death: "Misawa had not been aware of the severity of his condition,[199] which was only known by Baba's innermost circle: his wife Motoko, older sister, and daughter, as well as referee Kyohei Wada and secretary Ryu Nakata.[6]
Can you something like "Motoko Baba's widow held 85% of AJPW's shares with Nippon TV holding the 15%". I think it the abruptness of "widow Motoko Baba".
Changed to: "While Misawa became company president in 1999, and had been head booker for several months before that, Shohei Baba's widow Motoko held 85% of AJPW's shares with Nippon TV holding the other 15%." Again, Shohei "Giant" Baba is the one who died, and Motoko was his widow. (Note: Giant Baba was his stage name, not Shohei "Giant" Baba, but I'm unsure whether to refer to him as Giant Baba or Shohei.) Apologies if I am misunderstanding. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Forget this:  Done
  • saw print Can you improve that.
Is this an improvement? " There were reports of a "quiet" power struggle between Misawa and Motoko in March 1999, and Tsuruta confirmed this when he left Japan for Portland, Oregon" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yip that is fine. I thought it was metaphor for a move of some kind. Yip it is more sympathetic to tone of the article.  Done


  • Motoko had opposed the decision to push Misawa in the wake of Genichiro Tenryu's departure in 1990,[219] and the two began conflicting as early as 1996; in the year before Shohei Baba's death, Misawa even asked him on behalf of the locker room to have his wife leave the company, and was somewhat successful in that she ceased to have any creative influence when Misawa began booking Please split this.
Changed to "Motoko had opposed the decision to push Misawa in the wake of Genichiro Tenryu's departure in 1990,[219] and the two began conflicting as early as 1996. In the year before Shohei Baba's death, Misawa even asked him on behalf of the locker room to have his wife leave the company. He was somewhat successful in that she ceased to have any creative influence when Misawa began booking."

TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yip, that is better.  Done
  • Misawa was particularly intent on pushing the company's younger talent, and in September 1999 he and Baba had a major fight over his decision to have Akiyama and Takao Omori headline a Budokan show (which sold out), although this match's placement had been decided by a fan ballot. Split this, please.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Adding to the situation was that, as of the end of the fiscal year on March 31, 2000, all the promotion's talent were working as free agents, since Misawa was not authorized to give the raises he intended to award all native workers; Misawa had also wanted to modernize their contracts, providing wrestlers with full medical coverage, full injury pay, and possibly stock options (which NJPW's contracts offered) Split this as well, please.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Much shorter.  Done

First years (2000–2002)

[edit]
  • Pro Wrestling Noah debuted with two cards, collectively called Departure, on August 5 and 6 at Differ Ariake
Might as well change it, two players??
Changed to "two events". TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • While they sold out in minutes, the events themselves were not profitable; the low ticket prices attracted scalpers, who resold $60 ringside seats for $2700, and Noah spent more than the live gate of the first show to place a screen in the parking lot for the 1,300 watching outside the venue
Split.
Split into "While they sold out in minutes, the events themselves were not profitable. The low ticket prices attracted scalpers, who resold $60 ringside seats for $2700. Noah also spent more than the live gate of the first show to place a screen in the parking lot for the 1,300 watching outside the venue." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • The year's penultimate event was, however, a successful one; Noah sold out their biggest show to date, December 23's Great Voyage at Ariake Coliseum, well in advance, and in his first major singles match for his own promotion, Misawa defeated Vader in the semi-main event
Split
Split and somewhat compressed to "However, Noah sold out their biggest show to date, December 23's Great Voyage at Ariake Coliseum, well in advance. In his first major singles match for his own promotion, Misawa defeated Vader in the semi-main event." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Kobashi's knees had been in poor condition as early as 1992, due to his use of the moonsault and general overachieving nature in the ring, and while he intended to have double knee surgery performed at the end of his tenure in AJPW, he did not go through with it when Departure was scheduled for August, and he continued to work Noah's events thereafter.
Split vast sentence.
Split as such: "Kobashi's knees had been in poor condition as early as 1992, due to his use of the moonsault and general overachieving nature in the ring. While he intended to have double knee surgery performed at the end of his tenure in AJPW, he did not go through with it when Departure was scheduled for August, and he continued to work Noah's events thereafter.[244][245]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • Kobashi had surgery on January 25 to transfer cartilage from his elbow to his knee, but while it was initially reported that he would be able to return in July,[246] this was much too optimistic, and Kobashi would have several more procedures throughout the year.
This could be split.
Split as such: "Kobashi had surgery on January 25 to transfer cartilage from his elbow to his knee. While it was initially reported that he would be able to return in July,[246] this was much too optimistic, and Kobashi would have several more procedures throughout the year."
 Done


  • (Hashimoto-cofounded It is not linked, stuck there. Possibly de-bracket it and add into sentence.
de-bracketed. "In the second, the main-event of the inaugural show of Hashimoto-cofounded promotion Pro Wrestling Zero1..." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • It appeared that Kobashi was going to resume full-time work for Noah in their next tour, and his return was greatly anticipated (his return show had sold out over a month in advance), but Kobashi further damaged ligaments in his left knee during the match
Split
Split as such: "It appeared that Kobashi was going to resume full-time work for Noah in their next tour, and this was greatly anticipated, as the return show had sold out over a month in advance. However, Kobashi further damaged ligaments in his left knee during the match." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine.  Done
  • Kobashi was advised to take the next six months off (or perform major surgery that would prevent him from wrestling for another year), and while he initially intended to ignore medical opinion, Misawa cancelled his appearances and essentially forbade Kobashi from returning before he was ready despite the increased business that this would have brought Noah
Split
Split as such: " Kobashi was advised to take the next six months off (or perform major surgery that would prevent him from wrestling for another year. While he initially intended to ignore medical opinion, Misawa cancelled his appearances and essentially forbade Kobashi from returning before he was ready, despite the increased business that this would have brought Noah." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Its not enough. Split it. It is still over three sentences.
How about the following: "Kobashi was advised to take the next six months off, or perform major surgery that would prevent him from wrestling for another year. While he initially intended to ignore medical opinion, Misawa cancelled his appearances. This essentially forbade Kobashi from returning before he was ready, despite the increased business that this would have brought Noah." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The two wrestled to a thirty-minute time-limit draw (as has been Noah's insistence, particularly from Ryu Nakata, in order to bolster the nascent company's credibility) de-bracket
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thats cool.  Done
  • Something else has turned up.
I've noticed it says Kobashi was advised to take the next six months off, or perform major surgery that would prevent him from wrestling for another year.
He isn't the on that is performing the surgery. It should be something like Kobashi was advised to take the next six months off, or have major surgery that would prevent him from wrestling for another year.
You're right, that was a goof on my part. Changed to "have" now. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The peak of Noah (2003–2005)

[edit]
  • sold-out Budokan Is this the same gig?
Yes, every reference to Budokan is the same venue.TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ok.
  • Like Kawada's Tokyo Dome win over Misawa in 1998, this was the culmination of years of failure on Kobashi's end to overcome Misawa in title matches, and the resultant match received significant critical acclaim; as they had done in 1999, Misawa and Kobashi won Match of the Year awards from Tokyo Sports, Nikkan Sports, and the Wrestling Observer Newslette
Split.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • semi-main event What does that mean? Clarify.
It refers to the second-to-last match of an event, as opposed to the main event. This is very common (even in Wiki articles on professional wrestling events), and the main event entry on the professional wrestling glossary article mentions this, but I'll change to "penultimate match" if that is preferred.TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that might be a better choice. I looked it up, there was a link for card showing up, which I should have found previously but not much else. It is unfortunate that card was changed.
  • On July 10, Noah held their first Tokyo Dome show, Departure, and in the semi-main event, they defended against AJPW president Keiji Mutoh and Taiyo Kea (one of the few AJPW wrestlers who had not joined the Noah exodus) Better as one sentence.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Misawa returned to AJPW on October 31, 2004, for the Keiji Mutoh: Love and Bump pay-per-view, where he and Mutoh defeated Hiroshi Hase and Kensuke Sasaki in what was billed as a "Special Dream Tag Match".
That seems ok. I don't know why I listed it. Ignore it.
  • After another successful GHC Tag Team defense against Donovan Morgan and Michael Modest on December 4 in Yokohama,[296][297] Misawa and Ogawa dropped the belts to Doug Williams and Scorpio on January 23, 2005 when Scorpio pinned Ogawa
What does dropped the belts mean. Can it be linked?
It's another way to say lost the titles. I'll change it to that for clarity. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • At a Budokan show on April 24 which drew 15,800, during which Misawa and Suzuki lost to Marufuji and Minoru Suzuki, Kawada made his first appearance for Noah after the third match and challenged Misawa to a match on Noah's July 18 Tokyo Dome show.
Just three sentence. Split again.
Changed to: "At a Budokan show on April 24 which drew 15,800, Misawa and Suzuki lost to Marufuji and Minoru Suzuki. During this event, Kawada made his first appearance for Noah after the third match. He then challenged Misawa to a match on Noah's July 18 Tokyo Dome show." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is much better.  Done

NOAH's decline

[edit]
  • undercard There is two cards in previous that were changed to events. If you want to back and change them back and link to Card (sports). undercard links to a section in this article as well. Sorry, I missed that.
I've found several more card. I would change the event back at the top and link it.
The first instance of undercard back in the Tiger Mask section has been linked. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • (for which the company announced 14,200 in attendance, though the real number was reported under 10,000) can you remove the bracket and make it add-on sentence.
Changed to: "On the undercard of Noah's April 23, 2006 Budokan show, Misawa and Ogawa defeated Minoru Suzuki and Takahiro Suwa. Noah announced an attendance of 14,200, but the real number was reportedly under 10,000." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thats better and clarified.  Done
  • kidney cancer. Can this be linked?
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thats brutal, getting Kidney cancer.  Done
  • Noah's next Budokan show on July 16 was set to have Kobashi and Takayama, who had suffered a stroke after a 2004 NJPW G1 Climax match against Kensuke Sasaki and had not wrestled since,[314] face Misawa and Akiyama in the main event Can you split this. It is very hard on them.
Changed to " Noah's next Budokan show on July 16 was set to have Kobashi and Takayama face Misawa and Akiyama in the main event. This was Takayama's first match in two years, as he had suffered a stroke after a 2004 NJPW G1 Climax match against Kensuke Sasaki.[314]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • 5,000 paid 5000 people???
This means that only 5,000 people actually paid to attend the show. The source didn't explicitly lay this out, so I didn't elaborate, but what this means in context is that more people were allowed to attend for free, so that the venue wouldn't be two-thirds empty when seen on television. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is fine.  Done
Changed to: "When Misawa decided to break tradition further, and held a Budokan show on October 29 wherein Marufuji defended the title against fellow junior Kobayashi, only 5,000 of the 11,500 reportedly in attendance paid to see the event." Also added a source for the reported attendance. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Its too long. Its fine. The odd is ok.  Done
  • His injuries were accumulating, including cervical osteophytes (which caused pain during simple tasks, such as brushing his teeth and touching the collar of his gown[54]) and a visual impairment in his right eye which was discovered in 2007 Debracket and link cervical to neck.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • (Misawa had also long been a chain smoker.[16]) Bracket sentence. No need. Simplify.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • On June 21, Misawa and Marufuji defeated Kobashi and Go Shiozaki in Coventry; after this, NOAH split to work shows in Farringdon and Oberhausen (the latter for Westside Xtreme Wrestling) Simplyfi
Done. Also delinked Westside Xtreme Wrestling, since this was already linked in a previous instance in the "peak of Noah" section. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is cool.  Done
  • (This show was also significant for Kobashi's return after a September elbow surgery.[342]) bracket sentence
Debracketed. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Noah announced television deals with satellite stations Nittele G+ and Samurai! TV, but due to the low percentage of Japanese homes with satellite television, the most television exposure Noah would have going forward was a half-hour timeslot after midnight on TV Osaka (a smaller affiliate of TV Tokyo)
Three line sentence, vast, split.
Changed to: "Noah announced television deals with satellite stations Nittele G+ and Samurai! TV. However, there was a low percentage of Japanese homes with satellite television. This meant that the most television exposure Noah would have going forward was a half-hour timeslot after midnight on TV Osaka (a smaller affiliate of TV Tokyo)." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Massive sentence. Reads better now.  Done


  • Misawa decided to set up Shiozaki as Noah's new ace (as opposed to Morishima, whose championship reign had seen business decline, and whose weight was a cause for concern[343]), and had given him several big wins before an unsuccessful title match against Akiyama on April 16
Same here
Changed to: "Misawa decided to set up Shiozaki as Noah's new ace as opposed to Morishima, whose championship reign had seen business decline, and whose weight was a cause for concern.[343] He did this by giving him several big wins before an unsuccessful title match against Akiyama on April 16.[16][344]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done


  • held from April that was held?
"Holding" a tournament is another way to say that it took place. I didn't realize the phrase was potentially confusing, so I changed it to "took place". This is also seen much earlier in the article: "In the 1992 Champion Carnival, held from March 20 to April 17, Misawa reached the finals for the first time." Changed that as well. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is exactly that. The different style of grammer and speaking.  Done


  • Four days before his death, Misawa admitted to a Tokyo Sports reporter that he wanted to retire, and that "he couldn't do this until he was 48", but said that he was not going to take a break, because he needed to put Shiozaki over and "if he rested just once, he would be unable to return"
Please try and split it.
Changed: "Four days before his death, Misawa admitted to a Tokyo Sports reporter that he wanted to retire, and that "he couldn't do this until he was 48". Despite this, he said that he was not going to take a break, because he needed to put Shiozaki over and "if he rested just once, he would be unable to return"." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Death

[edit]
  • EMTs attempted to revive him with an AED EMTs?? expand.
Expanded to "emergency medical technician" and linked. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just realized that you were asking to expand AED as well. Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 05:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I never knew what that was.  Done
  • Misawa's death was the leading story amongst the Japanese sports press—Nikkan Sports and Tokyo Sports printed special memorial issues on June 22,[31] and Weekly Pro Wrestling printed photographs of the maneuver which killed Misawa[355]—but highbrow newspapers and mainstream sources gave the event little coverage (NHK only devoted one minute to the story on their primetime newscast) since older editors did not consider wrestling major news due to its great decline in overall popularity
Split
Changed to: "Misawa's death was the leading story amongst the Japanese sports press. Nikkan Sports and Tokyo Sports printed special memorial issues on June 22,[31] and Weekly Pro Wrestling printed photographs of the maneuver which killed Misawa.[355] However, highbrow newspapers and mainstream sources gave the event little coverage (NHK only devoted one minute to the story on their primetime newscast), since older editors did not consider wrestling major news due to its great decline in overall popularity.[16]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Acclaim and influence as a performer

[edit]
  • (as well as the circumstances surrounding his death) Wrong section possibly??
In the context of the source, Meltzer was comparing Misawa and his death to Earnhardt in a way that I think makes it most appropriate for the legacy section. "In the end, both continued to compete and their lives ended with tragic accidents that will never be forgotten in the respective histories of their professions." Perhaps "circumstances" isn't the best word. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
circumstance is definitely the wrong word, but the section isn't a description of circumstances around his death. I just don't think it is needed. It is superfluous.
I suppose. Speaking as an American (and not even a NASCAR fan), Earnhardt's death was a major event and has become a large part of his legacy, though I recognize that that likely doesn't apply to non-American English-speaking readers. When Meltzer compared them, the fact that Misawa had died in the ring was a part of the comparison. There was some optimism at the time that this would make wrestling in Japan safer, as Earnhardt's death had done for NASCAR, though while the fallout indeed had some positive effects the shadow of ōdō still lingers over the scene. I don't quite agree that it's superfluous, but I will remove it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:25, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possibly worth putting it as a note?



  • Dave Meltzer, who through his publication the Wrestling Observer Newsletter rated 24 of Misawa's matches five stars, and another one six stars, inducted him into the inaugural class of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame in August 1996
Here is says, he only received one six star rating, but it states in the body, that he received a second six star rating? Please clarify.
The June 3, 1994 match is the six-star rating. I'm pretty sure that that is stated in the body when it is covered in the 1993-5 section. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Its the same one. Coolio.  Done

Ōdō ("King's Road")

[edit]
  • NJPW This seems to New Japan Pro-Wrestling but can't see it anywhere in the article. The article is fairly big. Is it worth put a full version of it, closer to the bottom and at the top as well, to enable the acronym??
I found it. It is defined in the first sentence. Is it possible to expand it, further down the article?
I expanded it. Should we link it as well?
The article is 227k almost, which is firmly in the its too long crowd, although I don't mind. Your representing the wholes man's life. I think it might be worth expanding the acronym in the middle of the article. For example in Final years it has In an effort to increase AJPW's visibility. Can you please expand it here.
Expanded that instance. Yeah, the length is something I've been concerned about, but Misawa's life was a very eventful one. I've generally tried to only refer to matches with a degree of importance (such as title and Budokan matches) to mitigate this, but again, there's a lot going on in this story. I have considered possibly creating a separate article for his career in the 1990s, or one for his legacy and influence, but unless given a consensus go-ahead I would probably only do this if he were ever to become considered a Level-5 vital article. In that case, I would also try to procure extra bibliographical resources (in fact, I intend to import some books from Japan at some point). I'm guessing I'm skipping ahead a bit in the good article verification process, but I have considered a couple approaches to whittling down the article. One is creating pages for the two All Japan Tokyo Dome shows he was a part of. Another is moving the ōdō section to the Puroresu article and compressing it here, because the "Styles" section there is woefully inadequate. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've been thinking of the size aspect. I think it need to be split. I spoke to the GA discussion board. I think the consensus is it should be split. Would you be up taking out this section first and then identifying another block for a separate article and then see how it goes from there. The review while still continue will its done.
I've trimmed down the article as much as I can, including many of the notes, without splitting the article, though I have largely moved the odo section to the puroresu article and changed links accordingly. I think that his death is the best candidate for a separate article, though the 1990s career might also work. Going to begin drafting that soon. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is a good idea to strim it too much, once it is split, the content, notes and references will go with it and drastically reduce the size of the articles. The notes are a good thing, and shrinking them is a bad thing. There is several splits I see. The stats could be in a separate article, taken out and expanded a bit. Stats are a typical thing for their own page and awards and honour could be added. I think you have take too much that could be taken into a separate articles. I will have to look at it in the morning.

RS

[edit]
You're right, this is a vestigial part of the article from before I started making expansions. The context of it was that it was reorganizing the information of the first part of Meltzer's obituary (in the 6/22/2009 Observer issue), but since that is extensively cited directly I'm replacing this and the next source with a citation of that. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
This ref: Smarketh. (June 23, 2009). "Re: Mitsuharu Misawa R.I.P." Retrieved October 19, 2009.
See above. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
Seems to be used in a couple of places.
It's been removed in all instances, with replacement citations. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This still remains <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.puroresucentral.com/misawa.html|title=Mitsuharu Misawa|publisher=}}</ref>
You're right, sorry about that. Removed now. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • In section Tiger Mask and unmasking Ref 30 is always duplicated alongside whatever, so you have references per line. Does it need these? For example you have [30][55], then [30][16], then another example [30][51][52]. That is example WP:CITEKILL. Its not overkill per say, but does it need ref 30 at every point?
Ref 30 (now 28 due to the changes I've made above) is the second part of the Meltzer obituary, which is virtually the only English-language source that goes into this era of Misawa's career which would be unreservedly accepted by Wikipedia. (I suppose one could use Cagematch, but according to the pro wrestling Wiki project it is only a marginally reliable source, to be basically used for match results only.) He was writing the Observer in the 1980s, and so I imagine a lot of the stuff that Ref 30 is used for in this section could be cited with those. The problem is, virtually every issue he published before 1991 is unavailable on his site. (The story I've heard is that he sold the rights a long time ago, and the person with said rights apparently charges a three-figure sum just to get a catalog. I cannot afford this, sadly.) All of the points Ref 28 is cited for are points he directly mentions.
For example: "Misawa blew out his knee before the match, and still delivered a "great performance" in what wrestling journalist and historian Dave Meltzer called "the best match of the Tiger Mask era", but he would require surgery afterward.[28][49][50]" Ref 28 is here for the "still delivered a..." segment, and the other two are for the injury and the surgery. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not ideal, but I understand it. I did 4 hour search but couldn't find anything. WP:AGF applies.  Done
  • In the second to last paragraph in Tiger Mask and unmasking it has [67][6][30]. Would it be worth getting rid of Ref 30 here and ref 6?
You're right, that would work. Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • In Fued section it has [133][134][135].
You're right, that is excessive. Cutting all but the final one. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
Removed. The other source should suffice. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

To Teaming with Jun Akiyama

  • [166][167].
Does it need to be two of them? And this: [168][169]?
Both are necessary in the first instance because each of them covered one of the two title defenses that sentence covers. Moving [166] to after the comma on the 10/11 defense to better reflect this. In the second instance, the latter is unnecessary. Cutting. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 10:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. The consensus is 1 reference per sentence.  Done

To Final years

  • These, [2][183], [197][198] and these [203][204]. Are these both needed on each sentence.
In the first instance, the latter source is for the detail that Tsuruta received no severance package. In the second instance, the second source is unnecessary, and I am cutting it. Doing the same for the third. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 10:34, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

To Exodus

  • This [192][210]. Same pattern
This is a case where the two claims made by the sentence are each supported by one of the two sources. Moving the former source to after the comma to break it up. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • This [212][213][184] plus, seems excessive. Is it possible split the references across sentences?
It's been split across the sentences. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 10:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • This [215][2][216]. Can that be split across sentences.
I can delete [216], since it's doubling what [2] says. I moved [215] a as well. The thing is, [2] can be cited for all these claims, but by this point in composing the article I was very conscious of how heavily I was using that source, and didn't want that to hurt the assessment of the article. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus is 1 per sentence. Please remove duplicates where necessary.

To First years

  • There is several double references. Can these be spread out over the sentence?
I've done a combination of that, rearranging sentences so as to make spreading out work, and deleting repetitive and thus unnecessary sources. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [214]
Can you add a trans-title property to the references and provide a translation.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To The peak of Noah

  • [237]
Can you also add a trans-title property and an idiomatic translation.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To NOAH's decline

  • [2][3]
Is this strictly necessary?
Everything but the 11,000 attendance figure is covered by the first source. If the "of the 11,000" in attendance is considered important enough information, than the second source needs to stay as well. Not sure how I would split that up to where the two references aren't doubled up. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [276][278]
Are these both needed for a small sentence?
I felt that the claim "considered by some to have been Misawa's best in years" would need multiple journalists cited who stated that opinion, but if the Meltzer part later on in the sentence suffices for that, we can delete one of those two. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [292][293]
Are both needed?
Nope. Cutting the latter. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [289][2]

?

Moving the latter to earlier in the sentence, because all that's there for is to back up that this was Misawa's last Budokan date. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [15][2]

?

The latter can be cut, and I have done so. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [21]
Can you add a trans-title property and an idiomatic translation.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


To Personal life

  • [296]
Please provide an trans-title property and an idiomatic translation.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


To Death

  • [4][299]
Is two needed here:
No. The latter actually predates my work on the article, and is no longer available (it appears to have been a non-paywall article on the site, and my guess is that it was simply dropped in time). Also deleted the "five days before his 47th birthday", which doesn't strike me as totally appropriate for Wiki prose. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [300][2][301]
Please split up if possible.
Split. Also cut the latter source, which was just there to repeat claims cited by others. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [2][6]
These are right from the beginning of the article. Are they both needed?
The latter isn't, so I cut it. I also added the former to cite the cause of death in the infobox. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To Aftermath

  • [2][15][305]
Split or remove what is not needed.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 23:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [306][307]
Needs a trans title as well with a translation. Also are both news.
Answering the latter question first: yes. The former is from Sportsnavi, a Yahoo! Japan affiliate, and the latter, Zakzak, is the website of Japanese evening paper Yukan Fuji (夕刊フジ). Actually, just the latter will suffice for this. Cutting the Sportsnavi source and trans-titling the Zakzak article. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


  • [308]
Needs a trans-title and translation
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


  • [309][310]
Ref 310 need a trans-title. Are both needed.
Yes, because of the detail that most of the Noah roster was preoccupied with the Nagoya show. But I split the former to the first chunk of the sentence on that. Added trans-title to latter as well. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • [311][297]
All these double references in this paragraph. Are they all needed.
As for this one specifically, the latter source is for the fact that Kobashi and Akiyama attempted to dissuade Momota. I split it to the first part of the sentence. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The other double reference that remained after this, at the end of the paragraph, has also been pared down to just the former source. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • [nb 19]
This is the wrong article for it. It is very specific to another wrestler.
Agreed, though I would say this information most belongs on Noah's page. They lost the television deals they still had as a consequence of this. If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't until 2020 that they were able to find a steady tv gig due to the CyberAgent acquisition (which happened basically right before the pandemic, and may very well have saved them). I'm planning to add this information to that page at some point, and Izumida's connection to its becoming public knowledge on his article. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Better than it was, you've got rid of the extraneous information.  Done


  • [322]
Can you remove this low-quality twitter reference.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

Free or tagged images

[edit]

 Done

Pics relevant

[edit]

Only two images, the second image seems to be salient. Done

Focus and Broadness

[edit]

I think to get the size down further the following action should be take. These are the sections that would address this.

This will address the broadness and focus aspect of the review. These are:

  1. Split the Championships and accomplishments section into its own article and provide a main link template to link to the page in a same section.
  2. Remove the Ōdō ("King's Road") section entirely. This section is already detailed in another article. It does need duplicate definition, particularly since it is a BLP article. It can be link in the lede to the sits.
  3. Remove the Acclaim and influence as a performer and Legacy sections. The acclaim section isn't really needed to prove that the subject is notable. It says clearly that he an eight-time world champion in the lede, so really doesn't need a section rating his matches. I think it is superfluous.

Removing these sections will remove about 20k+ which is ideal.


Done the latter two. On the first point, I have used my sandbox to create this page, but I have never gone through the process of submitting an article draft for review. (UPDATE: I have submitted it.) TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 02:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update the lede on the Draft:Mitsuharu Misawa's championships and accomplishments saying something like like: Mitsuharu Misawa's championships and accomplishments are the championships and accomplishments of eight-time world champion wrestler Mitsuharu Misawa. Supply two 2 or 3 sentences saying who he is, to flesh out the lede. I can AFC review it when I get back for a short holiday and get it to mainspace. You can use {{Main|}} template to link to the page once its out of drat. The article is looking better already.
I've expanded the lede. Are you asking me to use {{Main|}} before you evaluate the draft, or am I to take it out of draftspace so that you can do this? Of course, I hope you have a nice holiday (or had, as the case may be by the time you read this). TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Followup: now that the championships and accomplishments article has been created, I've scrapped that section on the main article and replaced it with a link to that one. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've passed the Draft article into mainspace and fixed the link in the main article, which reduced it by the 20k.
 Done


  • The lede seems to sprouted a whole bunch of references, i.e. [7][12][4][15][16] and [7][12][13][14] and [14][4][17][23]. Can you fix this.
In the first case, I've brought it down to three. I used that amount of references because "widely regarded as one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time" is a claim that would presumably necessitate a handful of journalists cited stating something to that effect. Since professional wrestling is a performing art, such a claim is arguably an aesthetic one rather than something that can just be considered superfluous since he was successful in kayfabe (i.e. being an eight-time world champion), in my opinion. (Journalists are cited because wrestling doesn't really have "art critics" in the way that other performing arts do. Another consequence of this is that there isn't really a book that one can cite that claims Misawa is "widely regarded" as such.)

The second case has been changed to: "Despite never working in the United States during the 1990s, Misawa had significant stylistic influence upon American independent wrestling,[12] through the popularity of his work among tape-traders in the country.[13]" The last has been pared down to a single reference. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:22, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I never spotted this during the WP:RS phase, but only one is needed per sentence. I will check it.
Would changing to "while Misawa has been regarded as one of the greatest..." and adding a single reference solve the issue without losing the point? TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 21:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You could say that, yip, if the one of the references support it. I would change, "has been" to "is", assuming the reference supports it. He is a eight-time world champion. This article: [4]] states he was one of the most influential, which is the same kind of term. Also there is these ones at the "four pillar" [7][8][9] which also bit excessive.
I see what your getting at, taking a kind of range of views, to prove the point. In that instance you would use the highest quality reference you could, i.e. the best source.
Compressed to "While Misawa has been regarded as one of the..." with a single source. As for the Four Pillars sources, I have deleted one of them; I felt the Tokyo Sports one may be necessary because it is an instance of the Pillars being referred to as the Shitennō (四天王). The thing is, "Four Pillars" might be the most common English translation of Shitennō in the case of this specific cultural allusion (that is, to the wrestlers), but they've also been referred to as the "Four Heavenly Kings", an alternate but also valid translation. (I even considered changing the primary term from "Four Pillars" to "Shitennō" in the article, like how ōdō is used.) Anyway, it's just two sources now. Let me know if you think the second one should be cut as well (that is to say, if we don't need a source to say that Four Pillars = Shitennō). TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 05:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Coolio. Thats much better.  Done
  • In the very last sentence of the article you have While the unified regulating body favored by Mutoh did not come to exist, the talks that Misawa's death made necessary did have some positive effects.[308] Can you remove made necessary Seems there is an old sentence in there.
Compressed to "these talks did have some positive effects." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just happened to see that in passing. Fixed.  Done

Stable

[edit]
  • Its moving along at a solid pace, there is no edit warring, dodgy tags or outstanding work needing done in forming of references and so on.  Done

OR

[edit]
  • I don't think there is any original research. It is well resourced. Consensus is that paywalled source are ok. If anything it is over-sourced. I have read it several times, I don't see anything that is OR.  Done

neutral

[edit]
  • I've run a textual analysis on the words and don't see anything that stands out and getting more focus than others. I think well balanced, article structure is correct, it has good coverage and don't see any opionions or bias. Its pretty decent.  Done

MOS

[edit]
  • I intend to read the article line by line and compare it against the WP:MOS. I will start tomorrow, and it will take 2-5 days; I'm not exactly sure.
I gave it a couple of days break, so I can focus on it better. I plan to start it today.
Assuming the en-dash is the correct one, done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yip, it looks bigger, although I can never tell.  Done
 Done.
Cut it (and the source used to support that they are referred to in Japan as such), and linked the disambiguation page on Four Pillars of Heaven. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 03:18, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to reply to this point. I've done this. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Super Generation Army (超世代軍, Chosedaigun) There is no introduction of Super Generation Army, i.e. what it is? This will need fixed. 超世代軍 will need a template.
Altered the first sentence of the section to also serve as the introduction: "The tour built up to the Misawa-Tsuruta match through a series of six-man tags in which Misawa and fellow young stars, later to be known under the faction name of the Super Generation Army (超世代軍, Chosedaigun), wrestled Tsuruta's stable." Template also added. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is much better. It wasn't clear before.  Done
  • 鶴田軍. Is this needed? It is more or less the Roman name for the Tsuruta Army. If it is, it will need a template as its been introduced.
It's probably superfluous. I cut it. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Link Terry Gordy.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • 聖鬼軍. Need the template as the first time introduced.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Feud2, Teaming
  • Per MOS:PERCENT, please change 60% to sixty percent healthy.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Exodus
  • Same gig with 15%
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

General

[edit]
  • This bracket, which I missed: (who had defected from the Super Generation Army before the September 1 Misawa/Jumbo rematch[56]) is a different concept from the originating sentence. It needs to be split, or removed, as it is not specific to the article. It is also not clear who defected?
Moved that here: This victory also marked the beginning of a feud between the Super Generation Army, with Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, and Tsuyoshi Kikuchi, and the Tsuruta-gun stable, a mix of veterans and younger talent.[38] Akira Taue was initially among Misawa's allies, but he soon defected to Tsuruta-gun.[55]" TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • "new building record" of 16,300 in attendance. Possibly "that drew a record attendance figure of 16300 people" or "new building record" of 16,300people in attendance.
Changed to: "At a Budokan event on March 4, 1992, which drew a record attendance figure of 16,300 people..." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 20:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • UWFi', expand this for the first one. There is only two, and its the full UWF International in the article.
Done, and added UWFi in parenthesis to clarify the abbreviation. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 09:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • Can you check the other sentences that contain attendance and alter accordingly. Add the unit, which is people.
I believe I've added this in all cases now. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • The definition for AJPW has been lost, while cutting stuff out. Can you add a definition at the first time references, and maybe one down in the middle of the article, as it is used so heavily. It see it is mentioned in the Final years, so it just to be mentioned in the top somewhere.
When you say middle, do you mean literally in the middle (as in, somewhere in the mid-90s), or at the start of the "professional wrestling career" section? Added it to the latter: "Misawa entered the All Japan Pro Wrestling (AJPW) training camp..." TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is a big article, and I forgot what it meant after reading it about 16 times.  Done
  • 1,300 watching outside the venue. Change to 1,300 people watching outside the venue.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • crowd of 12,000 in the Ariake. Same change.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • crowd of 62,000 attended the event
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you please link yen
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • attendance of 14,200. Add people to the first one.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • only 5,000 of the 11,500 reportedly to only 5,000 people of the 11,500 reportedly
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Glory by Honor". Can this be linked? Or does it need to be?
Yeah, we can do that. I hadn't before because 2008 was the first iteration of the annual event to have its own article, but I hadn't realized that there was one for the event in general. Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • KENTA. Can this be linked?
That was a mistake of mine. That's the stage name of Kenta Kobayashi. It's romanized in all caps because of how similar his name is to Kenta Kobashi; using the Roman alphabet like that (or romaji, as the Japanese say) is enough to distinguish him from Kobashi to that audience. However, Kobayashi's Wikipedia page does not refer to him as KENTA, but as Kenta Kobayashi, since I believe the custom is to use the birth name in place of stage names. So I'm changing these instances to Kobayashi, in keeping with this. He has already been linked in the Noah sections as Kobayashi. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thought this was an organisation.  Done
  • an attendance of 5,000. an attendance of 5,000 people.
Done. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done

MOS section is now completed. Thanks for your patience in this large article. scope_creepTalk 09:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mitsuharu_Misawa&oldid=1205381597"