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Anxiety

Clearly misgivings is a synonym for either anxiety or doubt, not a television episode. 12:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus between those who cite WP:PTOPIC and WP:NOTDICT. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 12:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Misgivings → Misgivings (The Wire) – WP:ASTONISH, redirect to doubts, fails the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC test for misgivings. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 15:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Misgiving redirects to Anxiety, shouldn't both go to the same place (if this is successful)? "Misgiving" was a redirect here until April this year when it was overwritten with the band. The band was then moved by the nom and then redirected to Anxiety. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:58, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It probably should be doubt, you are right. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:13, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support move, with both misgiving and misgivings retargeted to doubt. bd2412 T 16:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NOTDIC. Yes, looking up a TV episode by name is a pretty uncommon use case, but someone searching for "misgivings" because they're looking for the information at Doubt is even more unlikely (unless they just don't know what the word means - but again, this is not a use case Wikipedia is trying to serve). Plus, is it worth clogging up Doubt with two more hatnotes ("Misgivings redirects here. For the episode of The Wire, see Misgivings (The Wire)", "Misgiving redirects here. For the band, see Misgiving (band)") for these highly implausible search terms? Colin M (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What part of WP:NOTDICT is relevant to this RM? Doubt is clearly an encylopaedic topic, or nominate Doubt for deletion. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Someone seeking information about Doubt is not going to use a niche synonym like "misgivings" to search for it. The only reason someone would use that specific word as a search term would be if they didn't know what it meant - but WP:NOTDICT says that's not a problem Wikipedia is attempting to solve. Colin M (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. As it stands, this is the sole encyclopedic topic with this title. Like I said at Talk:Unfulfilled, I'm not usually convinced by these proposed dictionary-esque redirects, especially when, like "Misgivings", the suggested target isn't even using the phrase that's being proposed as a redirect. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Same reply as above, What part of WP:NOTDICT is relevant to this RM? This is not a particle like Unfulfilled, misgivings are actually a real thing, with a synonym article, doubt. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Clearly not the primary topic for this common word. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As a compromise what do we think about having a DAB at "Misgiving" and redirecting "Misgivings" there? Though I agree with Colin in that these search terms are unlikely. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NOTDIC, and more pertinently, even if this was a dictionary, "misgivings" and "Doubt" are not really synonyms anyway (despite what Wiktionary says currently). The proposed target is even worse than the current one. I don't think "Doubt" would even be a valid link if a hypothetical disambiguation page was made at Misgiving. (Misgivings is more like "I disagree" / "I have a bad feeling about this." A: "Let's kill the hostages." B: "I have misgivings about that." These senses aren't covered at the doubt article, which is more focused on "What is true" than disagreement or dread.) . SnowFire (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the aboves. Calidum 14:39, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "Misgivings" isn't really a reasonable encyclopedic topic IMHO. Some things are just too WP:DICDEF for any legitimate target to be found, and we'd rather stick to some other topic known by that name. — Amakuru (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The importance of "misgivings" to the page Doubt is overstated, as SnowFire covered. If you don't have a 100 percent match for a definition, it's a stretch to say it has to be the primary topic, especially when it has a different meaning, which Misgivings does as a television episode. --Quiz shows 17:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Regardless of what is the best target, the episode is not primary. Editors referencing NOTDICT are fundamentally misapplying it in this case. -- Netoholic @ 19:04, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but prefer moving it to Misgivings (The Wire episode) instead. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be inconsistent with other episodes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - The problem here is with WP:NCTV – Misgivings (The Wire), etc. shouldn't even be an option: it should always be Misgivings (The Wire episode), etc. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:00, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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